Any better than Dooley?

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gasguy98 said:
I don't know how long many of the posters on this site are but I suspect the average age to be about 25. I have a bit more time watching Tennessee football and I can tell you that even during Majors growing pains the team was almost always competitive.
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Majors was 4-7 out of the gate and those games were not competitive. Football was played at a slower pace back then, so it did not look as bad as some of our current losses. However, we had no more chance against Bama in '77 than this year.

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Second year was 5-5-1 with wins against Army, Duke, Ole Miss, Kentucky, Vandy . . .

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Third year was competitive, though, at 7-5.

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"no similarities at all" ?

4/6 is not the same as 4/6?

yes, I can agree that there is some asininity and dumbazzery here
 
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tm3 said:
"no similarities at all" ?

4/6 is not the same as 4/6?

yes, I can agree that there is some asininity and dumbazzery here
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Go back and reread my post dumbazz... I think I understand your real problem now. You get ALL of your info from reading the headline. If you look on the second line I gave you the similarity in records.
 
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Dooley had NFL talent all over the offensive side of the ball. If the defense was even competitive last year we would won a lot more games and he would probably still be here.

Butch Jones has a true freshman qb and receivers who have not played at this level and for the most part ineffective tight ends all the while having basically the same defense. Yet even with these disadvantages Jones has already done something Dooley never did. Beat somebody.


So yeah, compare.
 
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Dragon18 said:
Go back and reread my post dumbazz... I think I understand your real problem now. You get ALL of your info from reading the headline. If you look on the second line I gave you the similarity in records.
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too many hits to the head?

not required to pass 3rd grade because of football prowess?
 
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tm3 said:
too many hits to the head?

not required to pass 3rd grade because of football prowess?
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Ah yes, no further argument so the predictable path to a personal attack. That's about on par with my 7 year old. Well played. You have truly shown your intellect my friend.
 
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Dragon18 said:
Only a dumbsh** would even ask this question. He's recruiting a class that is currently #2 and will at worst finish 5 or 6. Dool's never had more than a third of his class filled out at this time. He's also taken Dool's steaming pile of underdeveloped talent and beaten a top 10 team in USCjr. He has opened up the doors for the exVols to feel welcome back in the facility and created an incredible air of optimism within the program. If you expected this year to be better from a won/loss perspective you were delusional. This is especially true given the emergence of Mizzou and Auburn. He knows there is still a lot left to be done (he knows better than we do) and he is busting his arse trying to rebuild a broken and dysfunctional program. You would serve the program better at this point by supporting the team rather than asking dumbsh** questions like this.

Good Grief people he's coached 10 games and been on the job for 10 months. It's beyond ridiculous to have to answer to the level ignorance of this thread. Everyone over on the hill is working harder than any one of you/us to turn this program around. Back them up or STFU! if after next year there is no sign of hope a thread like this may be understandable.
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So, factually, what has he done that's been an improvement over Dools? Like most, I dont see it. Getting blown out? Loosing record? As I recall Dools had "high" recruiting and so did Kiffin and so did Foolmer. So, whats your point?
 
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Dragon18 said:
Ah yes, no further argument so the predictable path to a personal attack. That's about on par with my 7 year old. Well played. You have truly shown your intellect my friend.
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you are the one who began the personal attacks, bosco.

a forum is for the exchange of thoughts and opinions. disagreement is an expected part of the process. if there was no disagreement, it would be a pretty dull and uninteresting place.

but questioning someone's motivation simply because they disagree with you, and following up with colorations such as "stupid" and "dumbazz" takes it to another level altogether.
 
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knoxvols11 said:
So, factually, what has he done that's been an improvement over Dools? Like most, I dont see it. Getting blown out? Loosing record? As I recall Dools had "high" recruiting and so did Kiffin and so did Foolmer. So, whats your point?
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So we will continue to discuss in circles. I've already conceded the point about this years results on the field. The difference in our viewpoints is that most see a different direction in the program. The two coaches have totally different approaches and the past records of success are vastly different. I don't believe that any reasonable person would have expected this season to be any different than it has been (except for beating USCjr). You may have felt that either Auburn or Mizzou would have been winnable games but it became clear pretty early that those two teams are pretty darn good.

I also feel very strongly that it was just way too early to begin comparisons. Everything CBJ is working with is inherited from Dooley. The players are not SEC caliber players and they haven't been developed at all over the course of their careers at UT. Couple that with the exodus of ALL of our experienced skill players on offense and how could you not see this coming. Nick Saban would have similar results with this group. There is so much at play with the deplorable state of UT football that it's just counterproductive to create a thread like this.

For my part I am big enough to admit I stepped over the line with the dumbazz remark and apologize for that. I do not apologize for my position on the issue and it would seem we will need to agree to disagree.

:peace2:
 
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i'm cool with agreeing to disagree.

for the record, i believe that CBJ is probably a vastly superior coach to CDD. a lot of that belief, however, is based on factors outside of his results (so far) at UT -- and current results at UT was the context of the original question.

my personal caveat is that while better than CDD (the worst coach to ever wear the orange), is if CBJ is in fact good enough to win SEC championships. he might be, and i certainly hope that he is, but he has a long way to go to prove it.
 
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Dragon18 said:
This is an assinine post. There are no similarities between these two as coaches. You can take first year records that are the same or similar but that is the only aspect of these two that are similar. Since it is Butch's first year playing with Freshman and Dool's players you should probably expect that. The approach to the game and the approach to correcting the direction of the program couldn't be further from one another. But you're stuck on your opinion of it. And I suppose I am as well. I would encourage you to ask ANYONE associated with the program if the two are similar in any way. It's just too early and really rather counterproductive to compare records in Butch's first year as he digs out of the hole that Fulmer (final years), Kiffin and Dool's has put this program in.
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Funny that you excuse pumpers only want to accept your ideas as facts.

It is completely relevant to compare both coaches in their first year. There are some reasons that make them different, but there are plenty reasons that they are similar.

CBJ is not immune to critisism. He accepted the semi big check that UT decided to offer.
 
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As for an "on the field" comparison, we are NOT better than the Doofus regime. Not even in the slightest degree.

Off the field, in recruiting, and in public relations, Butch is light years better than Mr. Shower Discipline was.

It's the lack of showing any "on field" improvement in team performance and player development, that is very concerning though. Not only do we need a coach that can recruit at the highest level, but we need a coach that can develop players and get them to overachieve. We haven't seen that part from Butch and Co. thus far. It needs to change in a hurry though.
 
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gasguy98 said:
Dooley should have beat LSU in his first year but didn't.
Dooley beat Cincy when he played Jones with this talent we see on the field now.

Jones almost beat UGA (minus two of their best O players). We did beat SC with a great play by North but every other competitive game has been a blowout and now we are seeing the team flat out give up.

I love the energy Jones brings, the cute slogans etc. but lets be honest....Dooley would have fared just as well this year. We see the exact same level of intensity that Dooley produced with pretty much the exact same results.

When SEC rivals set new records against team 117 it is not improvement. We simply have not improved one iota under Jones and it has me concerned that this turn around (if we are having one) is going to be a lot longer than many of us have the stomach for.

Fire away...
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Dooley had 3 years to get better but got worse each year. Jones hasn't even had 1 year. Wait till after season one (better yet, season three) and see how things are.
 
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TeddyYeti said:
Dooley had 3 years to get better but got worse each year. Jones hasn't even had 1 year. Wait till after season one (better yet, season three) and see how things are.
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Nope. In my book, continual noticeable incremental on-field progress should be expected/demanded, not only by our fan base, but also our administration.

That's not to say we should expect to be competing for championships from the get go, but we should be expecting noticeable progress, as we move through the process of becoming relevant again. We didn't get any real progress at all on the field this year, and that is unacceptable.
 
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87Vol said:
Nope. In my book, continual noticeable incremental on-field progress should be expected/demanded, not only by our fan base, but also our administration.
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amen to that.

i just remembered another point of comparison. due to attrition from Fulmer and Kiffin, CDD only had 65 scholarship players in his first year. "lack of depth" was the mantra in 2010, just as "lack of speed" is the mantra for 2013.

CBJ has 82 scholarship players, 17 more than CDD.

the stage is set for CBJ to storm back by waxing VU and KY, and finish with a bowl win. imo that would be significant improvement.
 
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tm3 said:
amen to that.

i just remembered another point of comparison. due to attrition from Fulmer and Kiffin, CDD only had 65 scholarship players in his first year. "lack of depth" was the mantra in 2010, just as "lack of speed" is the mantra for 2013.

CBJ has 82 scholarship players, 17 more than CDD.

the stage is set for CBJ to storm back by waxing VU and KY, and finish with a bowl win. imo that would be significant improvement.
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If this happens, which I highly doubt, then I would be satisfied that we showed adequate or an acceptable level of improvement, not significant.
 
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knoxvols11 said:
So, basically, Jones has picked up where Dooley left off. Nothing has gotten better!
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On the field yes that's true, nothing is better so far. However, the saving grace is that Butch is recruiting like gangbusters ! Therefore, there is hope for things to improve over the next year or two.

Without his drastically better recruiting, Butch would (in terms of on the field performance so far) merely be Dooley with a buzz cut.
 
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87Vol said:
As for an "on the field" comparison, we are NOT better than the Doofus regime. Not even in the slightest degree.

Off the field, in recruiting, and in public relations, Butch is light years better than Mr. Shower Discipline was.

It's the lack of showing any "on field" improvement in team performance and player development, that is very concerning though. Not only do we need a coach that can recruit at the highest level, but we need a coach that can develop players and get them to overachieve. We haven't seen that part from Butch and Co. thus far. It needs to change in a hurry though.
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Saban was 6-6 his first year and lost to LA-Monroe late. I'm sure some bammers weren't happy with the lack of "on field" improvement after that game either.

It woulda been a great story if CBJ had gotten the guys to overachieve in these last 3 games. As it is I'll settle for some future talented recruiting classes that JUST ACHIEVE. Yeah...several four stars who stick around, keep their nose clean, buy into the coach's system, and actually play to their potential... all in a stabile environment.

<It needs to change in a hurry though.>

No.
 
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