Defending Fulmer

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pl3 said:
Yeah, I'm a Fulmerite. I didn't want him gone after '05 or anything. What a jackwagon. I'm just trying to teach you something, son. If you don't want to read it, feel free to stop visiting.
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I'm not sure what it is you are trying to teach me. You mad?
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#402
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Jaytrain5 said:
One freakin' game? Where were you from 2002 to 2008?
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Its like I said earlier, when we have a coach win more than 75% of his games, conference and national titles, then and only then will your points be valid. You can bring up 2002 to 2008 all you want, but when you look at the body of work, the man is a Vol legend.

To answer your question, I missed the 2003 SECCG, but did get to go in 2004 and 2007.
 
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Big Orange 1 said:
Its like I said earlier, when we have a coach win more than 75% of his games, conference and national titles, then and only then will your points be valid. You can bring up 2002 to 2008 all you want, but when you look at the body of work, the man is a Vol legend.

To answer your question, I missed the 2003 SECCG, but did get to go in 2004 and 2007.
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I'm sure Mark Richt and Nick Saban were extremely disappointed you couldn't be there.
 
#404
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SGMVols said:
Because every place he has coached was a train wreck before he arrived. Oakland only gave him a season and a half for crying out loud. Vince Lombardi couldn't have fixed that mess of a team in that short period of time.
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You bring up Lombardi quite a bit in situations like this, but, you're completely wrong.

1958 Packers 1-10-1

Vince takes over
1959 Packers 7-5/Coach of the Year
1960 won NFL Championship
 
#405
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Big Orange 1 said:
Its like I said earlier, when we have a coach win more than 75% of his games, conference and national titles, then and only then will your points be valid. You can bring up 2002 to 2008 all you want, but when you look at the body of work, the man is a Vol legend.

To answer your question, I missed the 2003 SECCG, but did get to go in 2004 and 2007.
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His entire body of work included a decade without a title, and getting clobbered by our rivals.
 
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kptvol said:
I'm sure Mark Richt and Nick Saban were extremely disappointed you couldn't be there.
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Unfortunately, I didn't get to make the 2003 SECCG game either. Was too hungover from celebrating our "share" of the division "championship."
 
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vol4eva said:
His entire body of work included a decade without a title, and getting clobbered by our rivals.
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Irrelevant. Won 64% of his games from 2002 - 2008. Should've been given a parade and ten virgins, along with a lifetime contract.
 
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Jaytrain5 said:
Irrelevant. Won 64% of his games from 2002 - 2008. Should've been given a parade and ten virgins, along with a lifetime contract.
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Another thing I don't understand about gibbs n co: how can you blend Fulmer's vey good 1st decade with his mediocre end? Can they not see the suck at the end of his career?
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cotton said:
Another thing I don't understand about gibbs n co: how can you blend Fulmer's vey good 1st decade with his mediocre end? Can they not see the suck at the end of his career?
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His "mediocre" end included three SECCG appearance which is what every Vol fan should want at the start of every season.

Yes, it is important to get over, but we happened to hit three eventual NC in those games. In 2001, we actually fell victim to the terrorists whose murderous actions moved the Florida game to the week before the SECCG.

In addition, what most of us realized was Phil Fulmer was the best coach for Tennessee at the time. Without the Hambone Experiment, 2008 is still mediocre, but a winning season. We also realize that 2005 and 2008 were aberrations with the worst QB play ever in NCAA history from two NFL QBs - survivable in the ACC, deadly in the SEC. And yet, we still would have had a winning season. All the coaching in the world could not slow the game down for Crompton, who had five different OCs. In addition, the landscape of the SEC changed in the noughties - with four different NC - which makes coaching at Tennessee one of the most difficult in the country - and still we were competing for the SECC.

Subsequently, we have been proven right as rain. After all the machinations, Hambone appoints Lane Kiffin if and only if his Daddy is part of the package. In essence, he hired a septugenarian coordinator to replace our 2nd greatest coach ever. Foolishness could not be writ more large. When we had the great fortune of the "worst SEC coaching hire in 60 years" dashing to the Left Coast, Hambone still could not secure a proven winner.

I have said many times, I have some sympathy for the FCF crowd. Phil did let his foot off the gas for a couple of years. I personally think it was like Michael Jordan playing baseball. I think Phil was returning full circle, ready for one last "decade of dominance" push. He got unlucky in 2001 and 2007 (nothing he could do about 2004). I feel the fire was back. He had a better recruiting class lined up than the eventual Kiffin class (now the most epic bust class in 60 years of SEC football), and one that fits needs. The players we would have had under Fulmer would have had us in contention for the SECE last year.

But Hambone exhibited all the foolishness of the GoF on this board. This board was thrilled with a coach because he was mentioned (pejoratively, actually) in Lil Wayne songs. This was "the way forward." This was "The Plan." Meanwhile, the core was alienated, and that coach - well, is a symbol of market failure and the End Times of Capitalism. He will stay at his "dream job" only as long as they have penalties to pay.

The foolishness could not be more alive in vivid technicolor today.
 
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utgibbs said:
his "mediocre" end included three seccg appearance which is what every vol fan should want at the start of every season.

Yes, it is important to get over, but we happened to hit three eventual nc in those games. In 2001, we actually fell victim to the terrorists whose murderous actions moved the florida game to the week before the seccg.

In addition, what most of us realized was phil fulmer was the best coach for tennessee at the time. Without the hambone experiment, 2008 is still mediocre, but a winning season. We also realize that 2005 and 2008 were aberrations with the worst qb play ever in ncaa history from two nfl qbs - survivable in the acc, deadly in the sec. And yet, we still would have had a winning season. All the coaching in the world could not slow the game down for crompton, who had five different ocs. In addition, the landscape of the sec changed in the noughties - with four different nc - which makes coaching at tennessee one of the most difficult in the country - and still we were competing for the secc.

Subsequently, we have been proven right as rain. After all the machinations, hambone appoints lane kiffin if and only if his daddy is part of the package. In essence, he hired a septugenarian coordinator to replace our 2nd greatest coach ever. Foolishness could not be writ more large. When we had the great fortune of the "worst sec coaching hire in 60 years" dashing to the left coast, hambone still could not secure a proven winner.

I have said many times, i have some sympathy for the fcf crowd. Phil did let his foot off the gas for a couple of years. I personally think it was like michael jordan playing baseball. I think phil was returning full circle, ready for one last "decade of dominance" push. He got unlucky in 2001 and 2007 (nothing he could do about 2004). I feel the fire was back. He had a better recruiting class lined up than the eventual kiffin class (now the most epic bust class in 60 years of sec football), and one that fits needs. The players we would have had under fulmer would have had us in contention for the sece last year.

But hambone exhibited all the foolishness of the gof on this board. This board was thrilled with a coach because he was mentioned (pejoratively, actually) in lil wayne songs. This was "the way forward." this was "the plan." meanwhile, the core was alienated, and that coach - well, is a symbol of market failure and the end times of capitalism.

The foolishness could not be more alive in vivid technicolor today.
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utgibbs said:
Yes, it is important to get over, but we happened to hit three eventual NC in those games. In 2001, we actually fell victim to the terrorists whose murderous actions moved the Florida game to the week before the SECCG.
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Two quick things:

UT played LSU in the 01 SEC CG. Miami was your national champion.

UT played Auburn in the 04 SEC CG. USC was your national champion.
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DarthVisor said:
Two quick things:

UT played LSU in the 01 SEC CG. Miami was your national champion.

UT played Auburn in the 04 SEC CG. USC was your national champion.
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Quibbling gets you nowhere. And, actually, you are wrong besides.

That LSU team went on to win a NC.

Auburn 2004 was the best team of the noughties in the SEC, and is now, rightly, considered the NC even if the NCAA has capitulated worse than Obama. USC is no longer the BCS NC.
 
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utgibbs said:
Quibbling gets you nowhere. And, actually, you are wrong besides.

That LSU team went on to win a NC.

Auburn 2004 was the best team of the noughties in the SEC, and is now, rightly, considered the NC even if the NCAA has capitulated worse than Obama. USC is no longer the BCS NC.
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LSU won the title in 03, not 01. Auburn maybe considered the NC in opinion only, but they are not recognized as the National Champions. USC would've smashed them anyway.
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I really appreciate Hamilton giving us the two wins against Vandy and UK in 08. Never would have won them without announcing the firing in midseason. Totally changed the team. Probably looking at a nine loss season otherwise.

I think from now on I'm just going to make stuff up and use that as my sole source of evidence.
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kptvol said:
I really appreciate Hamilton giving us the two wins against Vandy and UK in 08. Never would have won them without announcing the firing in midseason. Totally changed the team. Probably looking at a nine loss season otherwise.

I think from now on I'm just going to make stuff up and use that as my sole source of evidence.
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I guess this year if we go 6-6 its still better than Fulmer would have done, right?
 
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Big Orange 1 said:
I guess this year if we go 6-6 its still better than Fulmer would have done, right?
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I doubt it'd be that much better, but who really cares? The point of the season was to win the conference. Phil said so himself every year. Was ten years not enough to realiE he'd never get it done again?
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utgibbs said:
Quibbling gets you nowhere. And, actually, you are wrong besides.

That LSU team went on to win a NC.

Auburn 2004 was the best team of the noughties in the SEC, and is now, rightly, considered the NC even if the NCAA has capitulated worse than Obama. USC is no longer the BCS NC.
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This was stupid almost from the word go. Don't let idiocy from Vegas Clown lead you to believe that LSU team had any business besting Fulmer's conservative silliness. He was outcoached, period. That LSU team won nothing but the SEC title that should har been ours.

The Auburn dumbassery warrants no response. Our 01 team, with a coach, beats the piss out of that AU team.
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#422
Ppl keep trying to say how great he was but he was not. At one pt he had the highest winning percentage of any coach at like 82%. But he won 1 nc and 2 sec. The nation didn't look at us as the flag barrirs for the sec that was florida. We only went to 3 bcs games in 17 yrs. It's not like he went 11-2 and won the conference like ohio st did every yr. It's not like he goes to bcs games every yr like virginia tech. He was Les Miles 20 yrs ago. Lucky wins, lots of wins every yr, but still behind 2 or 3 teams in the sec. There was no upgrading or adjustments his entire tenure. We kept losing the same ways all those yrs. Just like lsu did in 07 we lucked into the nc in 98. We had a nc game appearance locked up in 01 and blew it. If we beat florida that yr then I feel we could have competed with miami. But we lose to lsu in a sucky game. Nobody lets thhat happen. Get over it ppl.
 
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