Defending Fulmer

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UT IE 95 said:
I've said it since the day he was hired at UT. He may become a good coach, but he is still on the low side of the learning curve.
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I don't disagree with this, purely based on his ability as a head man, but in talking about who you'd rather hire, you also have to evaluate their staff. I'd take Chaney and Monte over Clawson and Chavis in a heartbeat.
 
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VKAman said:
The difference being that Bryant has more than a few reasons to be unemployed. When Fulmer is 97 years old or dead, you'll be making a good point.

Actually, no, it'll still be pretty stupid.
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What's stupid is claiming Lane Kiffin is a better coach than Phillip Fulmer in any sense of the comparison.
 
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Incipient said:
I don't disagree with this, purely based on his ability as a head man, but in talking about who you'd rather hire, you also have to evaluate their staff. I'd take Chaney and Monte over Clawson and Chavis in a heartbeat.
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Of course Chaney, but Monte hasn't shown the ability to stop college offenses. The Chief has.
 
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Incipient said:
I don't disagree with this, purely based on his ability as a head man, but in talking about who you'd rather hire, you also have to evaluate their staff. I'd take Chaney and Monte over Clawson and Chavis in a heartbeat.
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Frankly, neither option really excites me.
 
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UT IE 95 said:
What's stupid is claiming Lane Kiffin is a better coach than Phillip Fulmer in any sense of the comparison.
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I guess I'll have to slow things down for you too.

Why does Kiffin have a job but not Bryant? Because Bryant died almost 20 years ago, and would be nearly 100 even if he were alive.

Why does Kiffin have a job but not Fulmer? Because Fulmer gets laughed off the phone when he's trying to get an interview with Louisville.

Can you not see the extremely obvious difference there?
 
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Not debatable is Fulmer's record over Kiffin's.

What also isn't debateable is Kiffin's effect of getting the 2009 team to buy in to what he was selling. Those guys played hard and physical even though they were less talented than more than half the teams we played that year.

Kiffin took a team with 2 walk on offensive lineman as starters and took them to a bowl game. Doesn't make him a better coach, but he did do a good job overall that year.

You can't discount him just because he didn't do a good job in a few games or else you have to hold Fulmer to that standard when he flopped in big games.
 
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pl3 said:
Of course Chaney, but Monte hasn't shown the ability to stop college offenses. The Chief has.
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If it were just the one position open, I'd probably take the Chief as well. But I did like Kiffin's offensive staff. Like Dooley's even better.
 
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pl3 said:
Of course Chaney, but Monte hasn't shown the ability to stop college offenses. The Chief has.
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Monte can stop all college offenses as long as they don't run the spread.

We pretty much stonewalled Bama and UGA that year but got rolled by Ole Miss, Memphis and Auburn's offenses.

However Chief has the same problem.
 
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Incipient said:
I'm a big Chaney fan.
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No disrespect to Chaney, I think he's done a fine job with what he's been given so far. He's about to have some real tools on offense, should be interesting to watch the next two years.

Will he run misdirection and create matchup problems, or just line up and call the play at the line and run over people with better players/execution?

UF used the first method and UT(90's)/UAT(currently) used the second.
 
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UT IE 95 said:
2-1 record in those games. At least there are some wins. Kiffin supporters have to point to close loses to give him any credit.
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I was thinking more like Memphis 96, Arkansas 99, LSU 2001, Maryland 2002, Vandy 2005, Cal 2007, UCLA 2008 etc etc.
 
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vol_in_il said:
why, Fulmer was 14-2 against your cock's
the only team he beat up on more than USCe jr was Vandy
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For a number of reasons. First, because he is utterly incompetent. Also, he is very predictable. Mainly, though, is because Spurrier has owned him as a head coach. UT will improve under CDD.
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pl3 said:
This argument is silly. So basically, since AD's wouldn't hire them, based on your assertion, Kiffin is a better football coach than:

Fulmer
Paterno
Bobby Bowden/Terry B
Stallings
Osborne
and many more that have actually won a few games.
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Most of those guys could get jobs if they wanted. Terry couldn't and shouldn't. Paterno probably couldn't get one anywhere other than PSU, but he is ancient. There are plenty of coaches Phil's age still gainfully employed.
 
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DarthVisor said:
For a number of reasons. First, because he is utterly incompetent. Also, he is very predictable. Mainly, though, is because Spurrier has owned him as a head coach. UT will improve under CDD.
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come back when Spurrier wins somthing at USuCky
 
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UT IE 95 said:
His coaching in the UCLA, Ole Miss, and Virginia Tech games was horrendous just to name a few recent examples.

I've said it since the day he was hired at UT. He may become a good coach, but he is still on the low side of the learning curve.
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What was honestly so bad about his coaching against VT and Ole Miss? They lined up and bulldozed us. I'm not sure how much scheming could have done for that. Those games would have been at least competitive if not for 4-5 dropped TD passes, as well.
 
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