Defending Fulmer

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#326
utgibbs said:
Of course he would have, and he would have done it with JC. Might have done it with BJC. Ahmad Paige might have put us in the SECCG last year, actually. When we lost GJ, we lost the ability to convert third downs. Creer was the desperately needed second back we didn't really have.

As for paragraph two - all the more reason the Hambone Experiment is ABSOLUTELY responsible for the debacle.
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Ahmad Paige was the third or fourth best receiver at Louisiana Tech last year. He'd have been behind (at minimum) Moore, Jones, Rogers, Rogers, and Hunter last season.
 
#327
#327
I still want to know who Gibbs thinks would have been the OC, it's proven CPF had a hard time winning without Cut????
 
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#329
kptvol said:
One guy is employed at one of the best jobs in the country. The other is at home after begging for the Louisville and Clemson jobs.
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one has a National Championship, the other has the NCAA after him....


When Kiffin has a 153 wins and a National Championship, this debate should really take off
 
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vol_in_il said:
one has a National Championship, the other has the NCAA after him....


When Kiffin has a 153 wins and a National Championship, this debate should really take off
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Larry Coker has a national championship. I'm sure people would rather have him than Kiffin.
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VKAman said:
You mean like pretty much every athletic department in the country?
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This argument is silly. So basically, since AD's wouldn't hire them, based on your assertion, Kiffin is a better football coach than:

Fulmer
Paterno
Bobby Bowden/Terry B
Stallings
Osborne
and many more that have actually won a few games.
 
#333
#333
kptvol said:
One guy is employed at one of the best jobs in the country. The other is at home after begging for the Louisville and Clemson jobs.
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Hail Lane, lets put a statue of him next to Robert Neyland's in front of the stadium.

Neyland Stadium
Lane Kiffin Field
Home of the Vols.
 
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#334
pl3 said:
This argument is silly. So basically, since AD's wouldn't hire them, based on your assertion, Kiffin is a better football coach than:

Fulmer
Paterno
Bobby Bowden/Terry B
Stallings
Osborne
and many more that have actually won a few games.
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There's a difference between being jobless on merit and being jobless because you're 80 years old. Plus, half the guys on that list actually have jobs in college football.
 
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#335
utgibbs said:
What KPT fails to mention is that Fulmer would have won 9-games with the "slop" (which only included 6-NFL draftees and 7 players who made an NFL roster). Kiffin managed to win two fewer than that, if we recall.

He also fails to realize that Hambone was responsible for the Wyoming fiasco. And the GoF are masters of making sure they get the final word.
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Are you talking about the same coach who blew the game against sorry UCLA and won what 5 games? :eek:hmy:

Fulmer couldn't win 9 games so how would he win 9 games next year????:crazy:
 
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#336
pl3 said:
This argument is silly. So basically, since AD's wouldn't hire them, based on your assertion, Kiffin is a better football coach than:

Fulmer
Paterno
Bobby Bowden/Terry B
Stallings
Osborne
and many more that have actually won a few games.
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Don't limit the list to the living. By their logic Kiffin is clearly a better coach than Bear Bryant since he is currently employed.
 
#337
#337
Are we really argguing that Lane Kiffin is a better coach than CPF? Really? I guess Lady Gaga is better than the Beatles too.
 
#338
#338
If we say there's a difference between 1998 Fulmer and 2008 Fulmer in coaching ability, would that resolve all of the (current) arguments in this thread?
 
#340
#340
It is pretty much a given that Kiffin is a better coach than Fulmer right now. However, if you attempt to compare Fulmer's resume to Kiffin's then you will see how dumb the argument really is. Phil might have under-achieved quite a bit, but Kiffin has accomplished absolutely nothing on the field. When/If he does, this could be debatable.
 
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#341
Incipient said:
If we say there's a difference between 1998 Fulmer and 2008 Fulmer in coaching ability, would that resolve all of the (current) arguments in this thread?
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Fulmer's dropped off at the end of his career. Kiffin's has been bad from the beginning.
 
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#342
Incipient said:
If we say there's a difference between 1998 Fulmer and 2008 Fulmer in coaching ability, would that resolve all of the (current) arguments in this thread?
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People that don't realize that are as off base as the ones who think Kiffin has proven himself to be a great coach.
 
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#343
UT IE 95 said:
Don't limit the list to the living. By their logic Kiffin is clearly a better coach than Bear Bryant since he is currently employed.
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Now you're comparing Fulmer to Bobby Bowden and Bear Bryant...I guess Knute Rockne is next? Fulmer is clearly only unemployed because he's 140 years old.
 
#344
#344
bleedorange1983 said:
It is pretty much a given that Kiffin is a better coach than Fulmer right now. However, if you attempt to compare Fulmer's resume to Kiffin's then you will see how dumb the argument really is. Phil might have under-achieved quite a bit, but Kiffin has accomplished absolutely nothing on the field. When/If he does, this could be debatable.
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And you're a better coach than General Neyland right now too.
 
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#345
UT IE 95 said:
Fulmer's dropped off at the end of his career. Kiffin's has been bad from the beginning.
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See, I never thought Kiffin was a bad coach. A bit of a douche, but he recruits well and surrounds himself with a good staff. Provided they avoid the NCAA bug, and we can't judge them on that unless they actually get caught.

Though I still can't believe he didn't try a couple more downfield passes against Alabama. You can't settle for a 40+ FG when your kicker is hurt.
 
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#346
VKAman said:
Now you're comparing Fulmer to Bobby Bowden and Bear Bryant...I guess Knute Rockne is next? Fulmer is clearly only unemployed because he's 140 years old.
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Incorrect. I'm using your logic to compare Lane Kiffin and Bear Bryant.
 
#347
#347
UT IE 95 said:
And you're a better coach than General Neyland right now too.
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Why do you keep bringing up coaches from the 50s? Are you implying that Fulmer is only unemployed because he is dead?

I must have missed that little news tidbit.
 
#348
#348
UT IE 95 said:
Incorrect. I'm using your logic to compare Lane Kiffin and Bear Bryant.
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The difference being that Bryant has more than a few reasons to be unemployed. When Fulmer is 97 years old or dead, you'll be making a good point.

Actually, no, it'll still be pretty stupid.
 
#349
#349
Incipient said:
See, I never thought Kiffin was a bad coach. A bit of a douche, but he recruits well and surrounds himself with a good staff. Provided they avoid the NCAA bug, and we can't judge them on that unless they actually get caught.

Though I still can't believe he didn't try a couple more downfield passes against Alabama. You can't settle for a 40+ FG when your kicker is hurt.
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His coaching in the UCLA, Ole Miss, and Virginia Tech games was horrendous just to name a few recent examples.

I've said it since the day he was hired at UT. He may become a good coach, but he is still on the low side of the learning curve.
 
#350
#350
Fulmer = fired coach = irrelevant now.

Maybe a thread could be started about "snow blindness that affects stray kittens in North America." That would be about as interesting as kicking this can again.
 
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