Recruiting Forum Football Talk IV

[Ulysees E. McGill]

SIAP - This is a decent article. I generally agree with the idea.

The schools are getting millions in TV and advertising contracts, and funneling that into coaching/AD salaries and facilities. While players have to figure it out themselves and the schools/fans expect local businesses or alum millionaires to pay them. That isn't going to work and its not a fair or sustainable model.

Schools (employer) should pay the athletes (workers) fair and even wages, then let NIL be in addition to that in some form. Split the SEC/Pac12/Big10 Network and ESPN/CBS/FoxSports contract revenue (throw in Verizon/other business contracts and such) and split that amongst the sports/athletes in some agreeable way.

The new way of compensating college athletes is chaotic and 'not a sustainable model.' Here's a solution

Screw that.. they are not and were never meant to be "employees".

 

[Orange.]

You're right. They probably have no plan whatsoever. Just hope for the best and ride with what we have if we don't bet lucky.

Best blue font is the unnecessary blue font.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

07 wasn't a great team. It was a stable team in an unstable year. 06 was a better team and underperformed.

07 got handled by Cal, blown out by Florida, blown out by Bama. We remember it fondly because we shocked UGA. We barely beat SCar, UK, and Vandy. Granted, wins are wins, but 07 wasn't a great team.

No it was not

 

[Orange.]

It is funny: de1's ham sammich out there calling de1 a lie.

 

[Cheatham County Vol]

OMG...you are one of them. The program was in steady and rapidly incraeasing decline from 01 to 07...I don't get the warm fuzzies about that 07 team that you do...Cutcliff came and left, and it disintegrated into chaos.


Fulmer f'n sucked by that point...period. Like I told you earlier...the FACT that he never got a sniff at a big time job offer should tell you what CFB thought of him by 08.

Majors built it, Fulmer rode the wave and two assistants for a few years and it was all downhill after that...it wasn't getting better, it was getting worse.

Fulmer definitely inherited a top program from Majors, but there’s no denying that he took it to the next level. Majors wasn’t going to win a national title. And no coach is going to win at the level Fulmer did over 16 years without having great assistant coaches. If you want to look at a guy who had great assistants, look no further than Majors. Fulmer would have been one of the many.

 

[drvenner]

What are your thoughts on Business analytics and the skills, technologies, and practices for continuous iterative exploration and investigation of past business performance?

Ball don't lie.

 

[Fun coupon VOL]

Brady Apparel…. “Offering exclusively solid black fitted clothing at a premium price”

Forgot “no fatties”

 

[Cheatham County Vol]

Saban and Meyer came into the league and blew Fulmer’s doors off, and he wasn’t even competitive with them. Having the lowest rated recruiting class at UT that I can ever remember despite coming of a trip to Atlanta just widened the gap more.

Another fact to put things in perspective: Kiffin inherited a roster with 2 walk-ons starting on either side of the ball.

Any thing suggesting Fulmer would have turned it around bucks the trend, and involves a lot of what ifs and conjecture.

I don’t think Fulmer would have got us back to the top, but he definitely would have stabilized things. Probably would have stayed in that 8-10 win range for at least a couple more years until he retired.

 

[MoCo_Vol]

Screw that.. they are not and were never meant to be "employees".

My biggest gripe was always that a walk-on or someone not on an athletic scholarship can be a part of the team fully and also still work a job or make money on their own.

I feel like the university is doing a ton of them already, having a place to live, food to eat, no bills to worry about except car/phone, some amazing training, an education, tutors, coaching, and medical taken care of...like the schools do enough imo. It was always the fact the athletes couldn't go make money while on scholarship I didn't like.

I'm not sure there is any way to really remove the corruption that happens. As much money as these schools & coaches make it's just going to be an uphill battle.

 

[VolGee4]

Man, everytime that Penny opens his mouth, it is stupid. And, not just stupid. It is also wrong. Every time I think he could not get more stupid, he outdoes himself again.

I think Memphis will be ready to play Saturday.

I think we still whip that ass.

To be fair, pretty sure those are old comments. In 2019, Penny kind of walked back his ridiculous statements in 2018 and admitted they were “cringeworthy.”

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

What are your thoughts on Business analytics and the skills, technologies, and practices for continuous iterative exploration and investigation of past business performance?

I don't like them when they are used in sports, or rather when they are the sole driver of in game decisions.

There are a hundred factors in a fluid in game situation that you should look at when making a decision like going for it on fourth down...like is the defense tired...is your OL wore out...is your RB banged up a little and not at 100%...etc etc etc..

 

[Pacer92]

I have a tough time believing in "dirty money" at this point. If it's coming from the school, boosters, or legit NIL deals, what's the difference? We're paying kids to play college football now.

Probably not the only thing dirty he’s gettin...

 

[MrVolton]

I don’t think Fulmer would have got us back to the top, but he definitely would have stabilized things. Probably would have stayed in that 8-10 win range for at least a couple more years until he retired.

That 8-10 win range only sounds acceptable after everything we’ve endured over the last 12+ years. Our program should never be content to be middle of the pack in our conference, and if we ain’t trying to be better than that, then we ain’t trying.

Who knows when he would have retired, and at the time we were undeniably trending backward. I’m convinced that Hamilton and admin had him hamstrung in a lot of ways, but It certainly seemed like he started mailing it in toward the end there.

I’ll forever be grateful for all Fulmer did as player and HC and I often feel guilty for criticizing too him too much, but it was absolutely time to squeeze him into retirement. It should have just taken place at the end of the year, and in much more graceful fashion.

 

[jave36]

My biggest gripe was always that a walk-on or someone not on an athletic scholarship can be a part of the team fully and also still work a job or make money on their own.

I feel like the university is doing a ton of them already, having a place to live, food to eat, no bills to worry about except car/phone, some amazing training, an education, tutors, coaching, and medical taken care of...like the schools do enough imo. It was always the fact the athletes couldn't go make money while on scholarship I didn't like.

I'm not sure there is any way to really remove the corruption that happens. As much money as these schools & coaches make it's just going to be an uphill battle.

I mostly agree. I do think a forced barter system of 50k a year in food, school, and board for players who generate billions of dollars for the universities directly and more billions indirectly was still lopsided and unfair.

But I also had a much bigger problem with their not being allowed to make any money elsewhere, especially since their only payments for their talents were non cash.

 

[05_never_again]

I don't like them when they are used in sports, or rather when they are the sole driver of in game decisions.

There are a hundred factors in a fluid in game situation that you should look at when making a decision like going for it on fourth down...like is the defense tired...is your OL wore out...is your RB banged up a little and not at 100%...etc etc etc..

It should be part of the analysis that goes into it. I'm not aware of anybody who says they should be the sole driver of any decision-making, in-game or not.

 

[Scvol7906]

I guess nobody told Toledo they were playing at Noon in the Bahamas since they are in all black jerseys.

 

[chargervol]

It is the dumbasses that that think (if that is what you want to call it) there is always a better coach out there that led us to those disasters. We have had several AD's that wanted to play the "This is Tennessee" card. Starting with Hamilton. If you don't have a better guy on speed dial you don't pull the trigger. I had no problem with those that thought CPF was not going to be able to sustain the level he had achieved. I don't think he could, nor do I think anybody could. He maximized the landscape of his day and that landscape changed as success in the regional states schools that we killed in recruiting trended up. Less hey to make, lower win rates in the living rooms, and there you have it. When your best available list includes guys like Kiffin and Pruitt you might be better served to defer a year when you have a sitting coach.

Had a real problem with Hamilton. Think Phil had 2 more years on contract, the way I hoped it'd play out.

Wanted his departure post contract, known, maybe even presented as retirement (true or not).
An OC at least near being on the same page for remainder.
Hamilton's departure before new HC was hired. Proper time taken, fit a must.

Sounded great in theory but of course I didn't realize they would botch the AD hire also. But if we'd skipped the Kiffin fiasco, surely the decade doesn't play out THAT bad.
But, guess worse is also possible.

 

[05_never_again]

Sorry...I just got a ton of crap back then for wanting Fulmer out from what I called sheep. They were fine with 7-5 and 8-4 and getting our teeth bashed in annually by Saban, Meyer and Richt in perpetuity.

Of course it all went sideways thanks to hiring Kiffin and Kiffin bolting. I thought for sure the dumbasses would hire a good coach to replace Phil....but nope.

"We've been bad since Phil was fired, so that means it was the wrong decision to fire Phil" is a common thought among that crowd.

 

[SweetasSoda]

Because they know things we don't. Simple as that.

This

 

[butchna]

Just going off what you have seen and heard of them both on and off the field..if you had a single spot at DT and it was between Nolen and West...which would you pick?

I am picking West all day every day...rankings be damned.

I’m not a traditional star chaser but I wanted Nolen for the legitimate recruiting cred it would have lended. Similar to my excitement at the potential of landing Zach Evans. From the scope of my limited football evaluation abilities, West is the type you need ON THE FIELD. Doesn’t hurt in the locker room either.

 

[pierce60]

I guess nobody told Toledo they were playing at Noon in the Bahamas since they are in all black jerseys.

This is a blast from the not too distant pass haha

 

[Volbucky]

Sounds like a gay porn site.

I'm not judging.

I’d imagine you have them all bookmarked by now

 

[SmokinBob]

I’ll forever pull for the ducks (even though they beat the crap out us last time)
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Ageed - loved this! wish i still had the entire tweet!

 

[Johnny Majors' Ghost]

07 wasn't a great team. It was a stable team in an unstable year. 06 was a better team and underperformed.

07 got handled by Cal, blown out by Florida, blown out by Bama. We remember it fondly because we shocked UGA. We barely beat SCar, UK, and Vandy. Granted, wins are wins, but 07 wasn't a great team.

Cutcliffe's best coaching job at UT was in 2007 with that offense. Good talent at QB and RB but the WR group was severely lacking.

 

[SmokinBob]

Damn are they out of stock on all hats?

They need to do some other NIL items. I'm ready to buy everything.

I think it‘s a pre-order.