Marc Curles

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05_never_again said:
A bias from SEC officials, or officials from other conferences as well?

If you're arguing that SEC officials have a bias, I totally buy that. If you think it extends to officials from other conferences, it is harder to understand the motive.
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Then forget the other conference. I don’t really care. Take the call in a vacuum. Hell, let’s pretend it is a Big10 and PAC12 crews on the example.

The point remains, there is leeway, in a much worse example, to keep the flag in your pocket. The point is the flag had to want to be thrown in one instance.
 
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bamawriter said:
Good grief.
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Back when Shaw was in charge of the officials in the SEC, I think it's fair to state there was a perceived conflict of interest given his role to assign, supervise, and evaluate officials. Conflicts of interest include actual conflicts and perceived conflicts. It doesn't mean that the bias ever reached a playing field but it's hard to argue a perceived conflict didn't exist.

Granted, that's not the case anymore.
 
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rjd970 said:
When you continually tell me to take their place and do it, you’re position here falls apart. Hell, Didn’t you even say you wouldn’t have thrown the flag?

I get it’s a hard job. Lots of jobs are hard. But when somebody screws up in my field, more than once, I’m not going to defend it by saying “it’s a tough job, you should try it”. I’m going to tell the person they are in the wrong field and need to do something else.
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Way to miss the rest of the statement. It doesn't matter if I would have, all that matters is one of the seven on that field did.

I could go out and nitpick every little thing that goes wrong in the engineering/manufacturing type world. And if I did that, and sounded like a whiny girl about it, you would say the same thing I've been saying.
 
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BigOrangeMojo said:
Back when Shaw was in charge of the officials in the SEC, I think it's fair to state there was a perceived conflict of interest given his role to assign, supervise, and evaluate officials. Conflicts of interest include actual conflicts and perceived conflicts. It doesn't mean that the bias ever reached a playing field but it's hard to argue a perceived conflict didn't exist.

Granted, that's not the case anymore.
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A lot of Bama fans felt the same way when Roy Kramer was commissioner. They can point to examples of perceived favoritism or bias.

Any fanbase can find this stuff if they're so inclined.
 
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whobethis16 said:
Way to miss the rest of the statement. It doesn't matter if I would have, all that matters is one of the seven on that field did.

I could go out and nitpick every little thing that goes wrong in the engineering/manufacturing type world. And if I did that, and sounded like a whiny girl about it, you would say the same thing I've been saying.
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For the last time, no one is nitpicking. It's the egregious stuff that piss people off. And rightfully so.

And again, I get it. It may be a ball, it may be strike, but it is nothing until the ump calls it. That doesn't mean calling a strike a foot outside the zone isn't wrong, which is what I'm saying here.
 
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rjd970 said:
Then forget the other conference. I don’t really care. Take the call in a vacuum. Hell, let’s pretend it is a Big10 and PAC12 crews on the example.

The point remains, there is leeway, in a much worse example, to keep the flag in your pocket. The point is the flag had to want to be thrown in one instance.
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What's the motive for a Big 10 or Pac 12 crew to have a bias in favor of Alabama?

If anything, wouldn't they have a bias against Bama (i.e., they would rather have the SEC's bell cow lose)?
 
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05_never_again said:
What's the motive for a Big 10 or Pac 12 crew to have a bias in favor of Alabama?

If anything, wouldn't they have a bias against Bama (i.e., they would rather have the SEC's bell cow lose)?
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I can't imagine any bias another conference official would have. But I'm not arguing that, in fact, I never have.
 
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bamawriter said:
A bias from whom?
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The officials throwing the flag or not throwing the flag. I'm not even necessarily saying it is intentional. the good teams get the call. But when the call is egregious, it stinks a lot worse and indicates intention.
 
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bamawriter said:
A lot of Bama fans felt the same way when Roy Kramer was commissioner. They can point to examples of perceived favoritism or bias.

Any fanbase can find this stuff if they're so inclined.
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Every fanbase had the same thoughts on Shaw. That wasn't just a UT opinion. I think that's why the SEC probably chose someone like McDaid going forward.

Going back before my time but what was Kramer's perceived bias? I know he was the long time AD at Vandy, which I guess could be considered one.
 
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bamawriter said:
And that applies no matter which conference's officials are calling the game?
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You keep trying to square me into a position I'm not making. Yes, in the SEC, there is bias from the officials towards Bama. And you can throw statistics at me at number of calls or whatever, I don't even know how it that stacks up. But what I do know is in critical times of the game the officials are looking to throw a flag or will keep it in their pocket.
 
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@ Bamawriter: We are talking about the SEC. Stop trying to defer to other conferences. We all know you are a Bama fan. If you are honest for just one second you will have to admit the refs take care of Bama. Just look at that side line spot video that is floating around here somewhere. I don't understand what is wrong with doing the best job you can do and not trying to effect the out come of a game. If you believe that has not happened on a regular bases, you need to give up writing about sports and look into writing fiction.
 
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rjd970 said:
But what I do know is in critical times of the game the officials are looking to throw a flag or will keep it in their pocket.
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Bama's most recent loss: Bama was flagged for a PI that put A&M in position to kick the game winning field goal.
Bama's second most recent loss: Auburn was given a free timeout that they didn't have in order to get their FG unit onto the field with 1 second remaining in the first half. Bama lost by 3 points.
Bama's third most recent loss: LSU was credited with a long catch that put them in position for a TD despite the fact that the LSU receiver stepped out of bounds. The play was reviewed, and the ref confirmed the call because the receiver was forced out, even though a force out was not the call on the field and had it been the call it should not have been reviewed at all because that's not a reviewable call. LSU scored a TD on the possession, and Bama wound up losing by 5.

That's every Bama loss over the past three years. In my honest opinion, only the Auburn call was egregiously bad. The A&M call was 100% correct and the LSU call was typical ineptitude (and LSU very well might have scored anyway).

I don't bring up any of these to say that Bama got screwed. What I am saying is that Bama's three most recent losses featured opportunities for the zebras to make a call in Bama's favor that would have greatly increased Bama's chances of winning, and in each instance they did the opposite.
 
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rjd970 said:
I can't imagine any bias another conference official would have. But I'm not arguing that, in fact, I never have.
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You aren't? I thought you were arguing that there is a clear bias in favor of Alabama on the part of officials. You get all upset and deflective when people start asking "which officials," which I don't understand.
 
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05_never_again said:
You aren't? I thought you were arguing that there is a clear bias in favor of Alabama on the part of officials. You get all upset and deflective when people start asking "which officials," which I don't understand.
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Go back and find where I said anything about other conference officials having a bias towards Bama. Perhaps I said "officials" in the aggregate, but I have never specified any conference other than the SEC.
 
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rjd970 said:
Go back and find where I said anything about other conference officials having a bias towards Bama. Perhaps I said "officials" in the aggregate, but I have never specified any conference other than the SEC.
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Fair enough. You've said "officials" and I wasn't sure if you meant SEC or officials broadly.
 
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rjd970 said:
Go back and find where I said anything about other conference officials having a bias towards Bama. Perhaps I said "officials" in the aggregate, but I have never specified any conference other than the SEC.
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And yet the example you cited featured the Big Ten.
 
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bamawriter said:
And yet the example you cited featured the Big Ten.
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I don't care if it was the Sunbelt. It was an example of it being let go, showing that the Taylor call could have been let go...but what makes it worse, is it SHOULD HAVE been let go.

I have to think you continually trotting out this Big 10 thing is intentional at this point. It clearly isn't that hard to understand.
 
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rjd970 said:
I don't care if it was the Sunbelt. It was an example of it being let go, showing that the Taylor call could have been let go...but what makes it worse, is it SHOULD HAVE been let go.
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Why should it have been let go?

I have to think you continually trotting out this Big 10 thing is intentional at this point. It clearly isn't that hard to understand.
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You're the one that keeps trotting it out. You've posted the same comparison in multiple threads over the past 2 years.
 
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bamawriter said:
Why should it have been let go?
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Because it wasn't a personal foul. You really disagree? That was egregiously bad. Plain and simple. Like I said, you have to want to throw a flag there.

bamawriter said:
You're the one that keeps trotting it out. You've posted the same comparison in multiple threads over the past 2 years.
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Find one post in the last 2 years where I said I believe the Big 10 officials have a bias towards Bama. If anything, over the last two years you have been projecting that.
 
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