Marc Curles

[bamawriter]

You still did not address the refs moving spots to help Bama. Are you saying they do that for everyone? Because that would be BS.

Are you talking about the Ole Miss game from years ago? If so, that ref is a doofus who doesn't know how to do his job. But the issue wasn't him looking back to spot the ball off the chain, the problem was that he didn't run a straight line onto the field.

Everyone who posts a gif of that, and it's admittedly funny, never actually shows the play. Bama got the first down, and the spot was ultimately correct. If the line judge had really moved the ball that far forward, the Ole Miss staff would have lost their minds. They didn't, and it was on their sideline.

 

[HarsinVol]

Then maybe you should try to go through the ranks and get into yourself. Yes, there are bad calls, and officials that don't do a great job. But I can tell you, that the more people act like you are about it, the worse it's going to get. There is already a terrible officials shortage across the country, games being cancelled because of not enough officials. Charlotte area barely has enough baseball umpires to cover all their games. Young officials who may be interested in working their way up get turned away because of the treatment, leaving just the retired folks, which means soon they won't be doing it.

The officiating pool is not a growing, viable base. It is top heavy with older officials and that includes local thru national level officiating. Young officials face nearly insurmountable odds e.g. their equipment and uniform costs initially is a financial barrier. Then they get assigned the lower paying games since they are newbies and the association Old Guard holds onto the better pay. Add the ridiculous abuse and you got the crisis we have today. More games than official to properly call them.

But there is another factor that we see is embodied in this thread. Officials are not considered to be worthy of the respect we give other non-officiating human beings. Why is this? partly b/c that abusing officials is a venting process for those who feel undervalued and/or overlooked, they are pissed and looking for scapegoats (sounds like today's politics, yes?). They are looking to be the ones who undervalue and the ones who does the overlooking. Basic human kindness be damned.

 

[HarsinVol]

You are still missing the point. Poor job function should not qualify someone to advance in their profession. I agree. However, it should qualify someone for termination of said profession.

Marc Curles, since this thread is dedicated to him, should qualify for termination. He has singlehandedly called, or been responsible, for several egregious calls that changed outcomes of games. Therefore potentially affecting the employment and livelihood of those affiliated with the institutions in which he negatively affected.

You make the erroneous assumption that kicking an official to the curb assures that a better official is his/her replacement. Isn't so.

 

[rjd970]

I actually cover the entire SEC. But I am a Bama fan so I'm obviously biased.

But I also don't subscribe to a conspiracy theory when the facts can be easily explained by incompetence.

I have watched every single game involving an SEC team over the past 7 or so years. I comfortable saying it's not as one-sided as some fanbases believe.

ok.

 

[HarsinVol]

You still did not address the refs moving spots to help Bama. Are you saying they do that for everyone? Because that would be BS.

I watched their every move. You could see the refs conspiring w/ ea. other. "How can we help 'Bama"? It was pathetic they took no roads to keep their biases secret. They were paid by 'Bama. Yada, bloviate, upchuck.

 

[HarsinVol]

[QUOTE="PandamoniumReigns, post: 20462314, member: 18579"Instead, we see the same bone headed calls being made, changing the outcomes of the game, by the same guys and nothing be said or apparently done.

Your turn. What name do you have for me now?[/QUOTE]

Best you find something else to bitch about. Nothing is going to change, the dynamics have been well explained, you just need to move on...find another donkey to beat.

 

[PandamoniumReigns]

You make the erroneous assumption that kicking an official to the curb assures that a better official is his/her replacement. Isn't so.

I made no assumption. But since you want to play that game, your statement implies that the absolute best of the best are all officials currently and no one that could replace them can do any better. I really hope that isn't what you think. Therein lies part of the problem if so. ..

 

[PandamoniumReigns]

Best you find something else to bitch about. Nothing is going to change, the dynamics have been well explained, you just need to move on...find another donkey to beat.

You and the other "ref" in this thread still want to go down fighting instead of acknowledging that Curles is awful at his job. So awful that the same level of ineptitude at nearly any other profession would equal termination.

It's extremely telling that you both resort to name calling or deflection instead of just owning the fact that someone in your profession sucks.

We aren't saying it's you that sucks. I'm sure you are great at what you do and seems like you have a passion to be excellent. But this thread is about Curles and how he sucks and how it appears to the paying customers that nothing is done.

Don't take it personal simply because you are of his same profession. Curles can take it personal.

 

[HarsinVol]

HarsinVol said:
You make the erroneous assumption that kicking an official to the curb assures that a better official is his/her replacement. Isn't so.

I made no assumption. But since you want to play that game, your statement implies that the absolute best of the best are all officials currently and no one that could replace them can do any better. I really hope that isn't what you think. Therein lies part of the problem if so. ..

So your of the opinion that getting rid of the Curles' of the officiating world assures better officiating. LOL. You're clueless. Obviously, you've never strapped on the gear and called anything of consequence other than your own divorce from reality. You have zero idea what happens at the officiating level, the strains on getting officials to simply call games when dotes just like you hang from the rafters, ready to pour on the abuse.

Best of luck with that. I'm done with you.

 

[PandamoniumReigns]

HarsinVol said:
You make the erroneous assumption that kicking an official to the curb assures that a better official is his/her replacement. Isn't so.



So your of the opinion that getting rid of the Curles' of the officiating world assures better officiating. LOL. You're clueless. Obviously, you've never strapped on the gear and called anything of consequence other than your own divorce from reality. You have zero idea what happens at the officiating level, the strains on getting officials to simply call games when dotes just like you hang from the rafters, ready to pour on the abuse.

Best of luck with that. I'm done with you.

You still aren't getting it. Please post where I ever said terminating Curles guarantees better officiating. I'll politely wait. You can try to cram assumptions in my mouth all you want, but I'll continue to spit them out.

Funny how you accuse me of being divorced from reality but all you do is spew implications and assumptions. Irony?

I'm simply saying his performance warrants termination. I'm sure there are worse out there. However we have absolute proof there are better out there. I hope you officiate better than you debate and defend awful refs.

Deflect the argument all you want. Deflection is typically what happens when someone is losing a debate. If "being done" is all ya got, then thanks !

 

[PandamoniumReigns]

I'll say this simply for all those who can't seem to get the point.

Marc Curles is so bad at his job that he should be terminated from said job.

End of point.

 

[whobethis16]

Name calling is comical.

No one is stating that the head of officials comes and says "Wow, these guys really sucked today. Oops". You can't hold a rational discussion, because you won't let your defenses down.

What would be nice is that since these officials are calling games in front of thousands, or even millions, of public fans, for a public university in the majority of cases, that when egregious errors are made, especially those causing changes in the outcome of games, the head of officials makes some type of public announcement apologizing for the poor performance of their employees and stating they will take the necessary steps to correct the matter. Those paying their salaries deserve at least that.

Instead, we see the same bone headed calls being made, changing the outcomes of the game, by the same guys and nothing be said or apparently done.

Your turn. What name do you have for me now?

The public is owed nothing. The coaches do get explanations, as was shown in the link I posted from the conference.

 

[PandamoniumReigns]

The public is owed nothing. The coaches do get explanations, as was shown in the link I posted from the conference.

Still not getting it. Explanations do nothing. Actions do. Obviously no actions are being taken as this guy trots onto the field each week to screw up another game.

Fans don't care about explanations. Fans pay the refs salaries. Fans deserve better. See the issue here??

 

[whobethis16]

Still not getting it. Explanations do nothing. Actions do. Obviously no actions are being taken as this guy trots onto the field each week to screw up another game.

Fans don't care about explanations. Fans pay the refs salaries. Fans deserve better. See the issue here??

Because there's a damn shortage of officials. What aren't you getting? There aren't people banging down the door to take the abuse officials take. That's been explained multiple times. If you are that concerned about how bad they're doing, get involved and do it. But I guarantee you wouldn't survive. If there was truly that many "better" and available officials, they would be out there. Plain and simple.

And by the way, you're the one that wants the head of officials to make a public apology. You said that. That's giving the public something they aren't owed.

 

[PandamoniumReigns]

Because there's a damn shortage of officials. What aren't you getting? There aren't people banging down the door to take the abuse officials take. That's been explained multiple times. If you are that concerned about how bad they're doing, get involved and do it. But I guarantee you wouldn't survive. If there was truly that many "better" and available officials, they would be out there. Plain and simple.

And by the way, you're the one that wants the head of officials to make a public apology. You said that. That's giving the public something they aren't owed.

You just appear to either like to argue or are horrible at comprehension. Marc Curles deserves to be fired. Plain and simple. That's all I've been saying. Fire the guy. He sucks. He's bad.

They are owed. In my opinion. The fans opinions. The vast majority's opinion.

The only ones who are saying it isn't are the ones who work the profession.

 

[whobethis16]

You just appear to either like to argue or are horrible at comprehension. Marc Curles deserves to be fired. Plain and simple. That's all I've been saying. Fire the guy. He sucks. He's bad.

They are owed. In my opinion. The fans opinions. The vast majority's opinion.

The only ones who are saying it isn't are the ones who work the profession.

Who is going to replace him if there's not anyone to replace him? Crews are made of 7 people. You fire him, the crew is 6. If there's no one wanting to take his place, you have a 6 man crew instead of 7. What don't you understand? If you fire someone, you better have someone, at minimum, available to replace him.

You said you work in engineering. If you fired an engineer without having an engineer available, that is a really stupid thing to do. That's what you're asking for here.

 

[volinSmyrna]

Who is going to replace him if there's not anyone to replace him? Crews are made of 7 people. You fire him, the crew is 6. If there's no one wanting to take his place, you have a 6 man crew instead of 7. What don't you understand? If you fire someone, you better have someone, at minimum, available to replace him.

You said you work in engineering. If you fired an engineer without having an engineer available, that is a really stupid thing to do. That's what you're asking for here.

So the SEC has NO extra officials? Then what happens if one gets sick or can't make a game? So we should reward incompetence? Nobody is saying if Curles is fired, we will have more quality officials. We are saying if Curles is fired, there will be one LESS crappy official.

 

[PandamoniumReigns]

Who is going to replace him if there's not anyone to replace him? Crews are made of 7 people. You fire him, the crew is 6. If there's no one wanting to take his place, you have a 6 man crew instead of 7. What don't you understand? If you fire someone, you better have someone, at minimum, available to replace him.

You said you work in engineering. If you fired an engineer without having an engineer available, that is a really stupid thing to do. That's what you're asking for here.

I said I was an engineer? Proves your comprehension isn't exactly elite.

I am asking for Curles to be relieved of duties. They can pull from an extra (You may not known this, but they have those....such as when an official is injured, a replacement is used).

And your argument that we can't handle the difficulty of being an official is humorous. Granted, not all could do it. I likely couldn't myself. But using your argument though out this thread, I could suck worse than Curles and it wouldn't matter. I'd still get paid and get to call games each week because no one can replace me.

Thank God you don't run a company.

 

[PandamoniumReigns]

So the SEC has NO extra officials? Then what happens if one gets sick or can't make a game? So we should reward incompetence? Nobody is saying if Curles is fired, we will have more quality officials. We are saying if Curles is fired, there will be one LESS crappy official.

The guy has dug himself in a hole and Instead of just either owning up or just shutting up, he just keeps digging. It's why he keeps making up arguments and deflecting.

Rewarding incompetence is exactly what he is implying.

By his logic, if I cost my company millions but nobody is in line to do my job, I'm safe. They can't fire me.

 

[GreyWolf1129]

And we're back to what I said 3 pages ago: the number of people willing to do the job is dwindling. Drastically. You claim you want accountability, but don't provide any substantial way to actually do it, and clearly don't mind the way they get treated when they make a mistake. Young people who may want to do it get treated like garbage at 10u age games, and say "forget this". NCAA level officials all got their start at lower levels. If the lower levels don't feed the upper levels, it's going to be bad. There's countless HS games cancelled because of lack of officials. It's just a matter of time before it gets to the next level.

So bad officials are better than not enough officials. Got it.

Same apply to cops? Asking for a friend.

 

[volinSmyrna]

If the SEC was serious about this, here is a thought. Take $10 million/year and that would get you 16 full-time crews. Pay the white hat $100k/year and other officials $75k/year. One crew tied to each team. Most schools pay officials to come to practices. This would give each school a full crew for practice. The crew attached to each school would not be allowed to call that school's games. Crews are evaluated publicly based on their performance, and the best crews get awarded game duties. Crews that work games each get $5k/person/game. I think the SEC could find $10 million just by shaking the couch cushions in Sankey's office. This would ensure that there were enough officials. There would be a line beating down the SEC's door to apply for those positions. Imagine being able to earn $75 - $100K per year being an SEC official? Heck, that might get me interested.

 

[GAVol]

So the SEC has NO extra officials? Then what happens if one gets sick or can't make a game? So we should reward incompetence? Nobody is saying if Curles is fired, we will have more quality officials. We are saying if Curles is fired, there will be one LESS crappy official.

The SEC sort of uses the Sunbelt as a farm system for officials. SEC and Sunbelt officials are actually scheduled out of the same office.

 

[HarsinVol]