Marc Curles

[rjd970]

There are 14 eyes on that field. That's it. Just because you think you saw something on TV, you act like you know the mechanics, the training, etc for the officials. That's why it's important to have gone through the training to really understand if what was called was truly right or wrong. If you don't know why officials are in the position they are, find a legitimate local league and learn.

Wrong. I’m not talking about a close call that could have gone either way or a nanosecond decision. We are all human. I get it.

I’m talking about the clear, blatant things that have no legitimate explanation.

 

[bamawriter]

I’m arguing that the flag shouldn’t have been thrown on Taylor. I’m backing that up with an example of something an order of magnitude more egregious gets overlooked.

Again, the only way that flag gets thrown is if the official wants it, or is looking for any excuse to throw it.

Hahahaha. Of course.

You're arguing that the flag shouldn't have been thrown on Taylor, so you compare it to a play in which the flag wasn't thrown on a Bama player. But your fevered Bama hatred prevents you from saying that the Wilson play was called correctly.

 

[05_never_again]

I’m arguing that the flag shouldn’t have been thrown on Taylor. I’m backing that up with an example of something an order of magnitude more egregious gets overlooked.

Again, the only way that flag gets thrown is if the official wants it, or is looking for any excuse to throw it.

I totally agree that the only way the flag on Taylor gets thrown is if the official it laser focused on that play and looking for any reason to throw it. I totally agree that if an Alabama player does the same thing, the flag is not thrown. And no flag on that play is the correct call. I totally agree that Alabama gets benefits of the doubt that other teams do not, and flags (particularly for personal fouls) are only thrown for completely obvious, egregious fouls. I actually don't think a flag should have been thrown on the Bama player either in the play you cited, but if, say, a Tennessee player did that to a Bama player the flag probably comes out.

However are non-SEC officials in on this too? That wasn't an SEC crew that was officiating the CFP championship game between Alabama and Georgia.

 

[rjd970]

And we're back to what I said 3 pages ago: the number of people willing to do the job is dwindling. Drastically. You claim you want accountability, but don't provide any substantial way to actually do it, and clearly don't mind the way they get treated when they make a mistake. Young people who may want to do it get treated like garbage at 10u age games, and say "forget this". NCAA level officials all got their start at lower levels. If the lower levels don't feed the upper levels, it's going to be bad. There's countless HS games cancelled because of lack of officials. It's just a matter of time before it gets to the next level.

Yes I did. Accountability is after multiple offenses and suspensions, you get rid of the problem.

I’m sorry, but this thread wouldn’t even exist if this was a one time deal. Curles is a problem and obviously bad at his job. The defense of him by talking about the training involved and lumping him in with the officials that do a good job is laughable, at best.

 

[rjd970]

Hahahaha. Of course.

You're arguing that the flag shouldn't have been thrown on Taylor, so you compare it to a play in which the flag wasn't thrown on a Bama player. But your fevered Bama hatred prevents you from saying that the Wilson play was called correctly.

I’m saying, again, that the Wilson call was overlooked. Should it have been called? Sure. Which makes the Taylor play even more egregious.

 

[bamawriter]

However are non-SEC officials in on this too? That wasn't an SEC crew that was officiating the CFP championship game between Alabama and Georgia.

I've asked this question on every occasion in which @rjd970 makes the comparison. The answer is always nonsensical.

 

[05_never_again]

I've asked this question on every occasion in which @rjd970 makes the comparison. The answer is always nonsensical.

It's not the greatest example for the point he's trying to make, and I actually agree with the point he's trying to make.

If he wants to argue that non-SEC crews are biased towards Alabama as well, I mean he could make that case, although that would be a little harder for me to buy. If a non-SEC crew is working that game, and regardless of the outcome an SEC team is winning the national title that year, then I don't think they really care.

 

[bamawriter]

I’m saying, again, that the Wilson call was overlooked. Should it have been called? Sure. Which makes the Taylor play even more egregious.

And we've circled right back around to Bama being the beneficiary of two incorrect calls which fits in nicely to your conspiracy theory except that the Wilson play wasn't called by the SEC, and now you'll go back into your circular argument that this somehow reinforces the fact that, despite their lack of involvement, this proves that SEC refs look out for Bama.

 

[rjd970]

I totally agree that the only way the flag on Taylor gets thrown is if the official it laser focused on that play and looking for any reason to throw it. I totally agree that if an Alabama player does the same thing, the flag is not thrown. And no flag on that play is the correct call. I totally agree that Alabama gets benefits of the doubt that other teams do not, and flags (particularly for personal fouls) are only thrown for completely obvious, egregious fouls. I actually don't think a flag should have been thrown on the Bama player either in the play you cited, but if, say, a Tennessee player did that to a Bama player the flag probably comes out.

However are non-SEC officials in on this too? That wasn't an SEC crew that was officiating the CFP championship game between Alabama and Georgia.

I don’t care where the officiating crew was from. I’m using it as an example of something that was so over top getting overlooked. Yet, Taylor gets called for something questionable, at best.

Take the SEC/Big10 out of it.

 

[whobethis16]

Yes I did. Accountability is after multiple offenses and suspensions, you get rid of the problem.

I’m sorry, but this thread wouldn’t even exist if this was a one time deal. Curles is a problem and obviously bad at his job. The defense of him by talking about the training involved and lumping him in with the officials that do a good job is laughable, at best.

Then again, go through the process and do a better job and take his place.

There are constant threads by people who don't know the rulebook from a pop-up book arguing they know "bad calls" more than those that actually have studied. We regularly see professional baseball managers argue stuff when they don't know the rules. Just look at how badly it exploded when the umps made the correct call during the Rays-Red Sox game. People slammed that crew, said they were garbage, yada yada yada, when they have no clue. Just because this thread exists doesn't mean it's right.

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

@bamawriter

What's your thought on Curles? Guy has an extensive track record or suspensions and public reprimands. No other crew in the conference is anywhere close.

 

[bamawriter]

@bamawriter

What's your thought on Curles? Guy has an extensive track record or suspensions and public reprimands. No other crew in the conference is anywhere close.

He's absolutely awful, and I cringe every time I see that he's booked for a Bama game. SEC officiating is really bad from top to bottom, but Curles creates the worst stench in the garbage fire.

 

[05_never_again]

I don’t care where the officiating crew was from. I’m using it as an example of something that was so over top getting overlooked. Yet, Taylor gets called for something questionable, at best.

Take the SEC/Big10 out of it.

But the big item here in question is that the SEC office and officials are biased in favor of Alabama. I believe that they are, but the non-call on the Bama player from the Georgia game is kind of irrelevant given that isn't an SEC crew, unless you want to argue that non-SEC officiating crews are also biased in favor of Bama.

Just find a clip from an SEC game where a Bama player isn't flagged for something that other teams get flagged for. I'm sure it is out there.

 

[whobethis16]

@bamawriter

What's your thought on Curles? Guy has an extensive track record or suspensions and public reprimands. No other crew in the conference is anywhere close.

Not to me, but I'm curious as to where the "multiple suspensions" are. I see 1 suspension 12 years ago. That's it. Please find the others.

 

[bamawriter]

I don’t care where the officiating crew was from. I’m using it as an example of something that was so over top getting overlooked. Yet, Taylor gets called for something questionable, at best.

Take the SEC/Big10 out of it.

How can you take the SEC/Big Ten out of it when your entire point is that SEC officials are in Bama's pocket? You're basically saying "please ignore the glaring hole in my logic so that my argument holds up."

 

[overseasorange2]

I just hope that the outcome of the KY game is not determined by an official. If we lose fair and square, I can handle that.

 

[rjd970]

And we've circled right back around to Bama being the beneficiary of two incorrect calls which fits in nicely to your conspiracy theory except that the Wilson play wasn't called by the SEC, and now you'll go back into your circular argument that this somehow reinforces the fact that, despite their lack of involvement, this proves that SEC refs look out for Bama.

No we haven’t circled back to anything. Do you think Taylor should have been called there? Do you think play should have been stopped when we were in the red zone in the wildcat? Did these things benefit Bama?

I don’t GAS where the crews were from. Bama benefitted from questionable officiating in the UT game. What’s worse, is they probably didn’t need it anyway.

You disagree with any of that?

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

Not to me, but I'm curious as to where the "multiple suspensions" are. I see 1 suspension 12 years ago. That's it. Please find the others.

Public reprimand after MSU-Memphis game and GSU-Auburn game this year

Suspended after 2017 Mizzou-UK game

 

[rjd970]

How can you take the SEC/Big Ten out of it when your entire point is that SEC officials are in Bama's pocket? You're basically saying "please ignore the glaring hole in my logic so that my argument holds up."

Officials in Bama’s pocket has not been said by me one time. I have always contended there is a clear bias towards Bama though.

You are exaggerating what I’m saying because painting me as a conspiracy theorist plays better, or makes you feel better or whatever else.

 

[05_never_again]

Officials in Bama’s pocket has not been said by me one time. I have always contended there is a clear bias towards Bama.

You are exaggerating what I’m saying because painting me as a conspiracy theorist plays better, or makes you feel better or whatever else.

A bias from SEC officials, or officials from other conferences as well?

If you're arguing that SEC officials have a bias, I totally buy that. If you think it extends to officials from other conferences, it is harder to understand the motive.

 

[GrayWaterCanine]

I find it more amazing that people who have never read and studied the actual rulebook, never attended officials' camps and training, taken the exams, or even officiated a level higher than peewee think they truly know the rules.

Regarding one, a brief 3 sec video does not tell the full story. Was there already some chippiness in the game? Had the teams already had an on-field confrontation where there is a short leash for anything? There's so much that goes into it, and if you had ever gone through any of the things I listed above, you would have a better understanding.

Yes, looking at those 3 sec videos, my judgement says the calls should've been flipped. But here's the thing: I'm not the one officiating that game. Neither are you. This is like the infield fly from the Cardinals-Braves game several years ago. The MLB Umpire Supervisor even said "I would not have made that call, but that doesn't matter. All that matters is that one of the 6 on the field made the call, and they were within the rule to do so."

I find it amazing that people that never officiated a game above PeeWee, and are aware of that fact, can understand poor officiating better than those that attended officials' camps and training, taken exams, and officiated at higher levels.

 

[rjd970]

Then again, go through the process and do a better job and take his place.

There are constant threads by people who don't know the rulebook from a pop-up book arguing they know "bad calls" more than those that actually have studied. We regularly see professional baseball managers argue stuff when they don't know the rules. Just look at how badly it exploded when the umps made the correct call during the Rays-Red Sox game. People slammed that crew, said they were garbage, yada yada yada, when they have no clue. Just because this thread exists doesn't mean it's right.

When you continually tell me to take their place and do it, you’re position here falls apart. Hell, Didn’t you even say you wouldn’t have thrown the flag?

I get it’s a hard job. Lots of jobs are hard. But when somebody screws up in my field, more than once, I’m not going to defend it by saying “it’s a tough job, you should try it”. I’m going to tell the person they are in the wrong field and need to do something else.

 

[bamawriter]

Officials in Bama’s pocket has not been said by me one time. I have always contended there is a clear bias towards Bama though.

Good grief.

 

[GrayWaterCanine]

I have no doubt that the behavior of adults at those games has an effect. I have seen how idiotic and unreasonable parents (and others) can be at and about high school football games. But again, that is a separate issue. We aren’t talking about Jim-Bob getting glared at at the barber shop because he called pass interference on Big Rick’s son last Friday. We’re talking about people employed by, again, a business with tens (hundreds?) of millions in revenue annually failing to hold those employees accountable for a pattern of poor performance over multiple games and seasons.

The reason the behavior has trickled down to the treatment of officials in youth sports is because youth sports are being treated like a big business now. Those whining about this are the direct financial beneficiaries of the big youth sports industry, but they want to continue to be treated like neighborhood volunteers. When the cost of the sport reaches what it has for youth today, there are going to be expectations; and I have a hard time blaming the parents for having higher expectations under the circumstances.

 

[bamawriter]

I don’t GAS where the crews were from. Bama benefitted from questionable officiating in the UT game. What’s worse, is they probably didn’t need it anyway.

Does that suggest bias on the part of the officials or not?