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Stoerner Fumbles said:
With due respect to you and your opinion, saying it twice doesn’t make it anymore true. The concept of diversity has nothing to do with hiring an unqualified black candidate over a white one. That’s just a bogeyman that isn’t there. It’s a story that’s made up to make people angry, and it works. It just also happens to be false. The pursuit of diversity is based on the notion that we should seek proportional representation among equally qualified candidates. That shouldn’t be problematic.
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I don't think you understand me. I plainly said that hiring someone BECAUSE they are black, white, red..or whatever..is racism. It is the very definition of race based preferential treatment, and it sounds like a lot of people are ok with institutionalizing that raced based preferential treatment...unless it is a white person.

I don't care what has happened in the past...you will not fix the evils of the past by replacing it with the same evil, just in favor of different people. All that will do is cause is extreme resentment and eventually real hatred that will lead to a real violent race war.

It is not the answer to replace white preference with colored preference. I personally do not care if we have an all black staff, as long as it is not done purposefully. We are all God's children and I want racism to die just as much as you or anybody else.
 
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Wow. Such a young-talent squad with so much room still to improve.

If today was Selection Sunday, Tennessee basketball would be a No. 3 seed in the NCAA Tournament, according to the selection committee’s mock bracket release Saturday on CBS.

The Vols were the No. 11 overall seed as the bracket’s current top 16 seeds were revealed.
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He must never be forgiven and never get a second chance.... this is the world we live in.
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Has he shown remorse, admitted he was wrong, seemed like he has learned? I honestly don't know the answer to these, but until he starts doing that, he should not get a second chance.
 
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Not to get into the current side discussion, as I've said my peace on the topic many times over, but as a meta-comment on the side discussion...

1) A handful of black candidates have been said to be a part of the current DC search.

2) Now there is a full blown discussion on race and relations.

If all the candidates had been white, would such a discussion be happening?

This isn't a negative comment toward anyone, just a general observation of how many of us perceive what the norm is.
 
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
I don't think you understand me. I plainly said that hiring someone BECAUSE they are black, white, red..or whatever..is racism. It is the very definition of race based preferential treatment, and it sounds like a lot of people are ok with institutionalizing that raced based preferential treatment...unless it is a white person.

I don't care what has happened in the past...you will not fix the evils of the past by replacing it with the same evil, just in favor of different people. All that will do is cause is extreme resentment and eventually real hatred that will lead to a real violent race war.

It is not the answer to replace white preference with colored preference. I personally do not care if we have an all black staff, as long as it is not done purposefully. We are all God's children and I want racism to die just as much as you or anybody else.
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Well spoken, Ulysees......How are Penelope and the children these days?😁
 
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UTMVol76 said:
Doug Matthews said he feels we have our guy at DC and he expects to talk about it tomorrow morning. Makes me think we should hear something tonight.
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Unless Fulmer told him he has no clue. Why Fulmer would know is beyond me. I doubt they have been keeping him in the loop to get his blessing at this point.
 
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SweetasSoda said:
Just two things.... The existence of one doesn't nullify the other. True. But the argument of "white privilege" definitely nullifies the fact that there are very poor white people in America. Some of those white people choose to become criminals because they are desperate also. Some of those have told me that being in prison is easier for them because they can get their teeth fixed before they get out, and they have no worries. Not to argue that any of what you said is wrong, or that we should not work to fix the injustices. But choosing to become a criminal is a choice. Now let's work to give those that want a better way a chance to get it. It needs to start in people helping people. Communities helping communities. The federal government can't do anything that truly overcomes the problems if those are not in place.
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Great post and while I have witnessed black people being profiled and harassed, it also happens to white people. You are spot on about many people preferring prison/jail to the real world. It gives them structure, steady meals, shelter and camaraderie that they often cannot get on the outside.

I saw many people get released and do something just so they could come back to jail. That is sad and is a local problem more than a federal one.

Private jails and prisons are also morally wrong. It's not a coincidence that they are often found in poor areas. A lot of poor communities have corrupt legal systems where judges, prosecutors and public defenders are all in business together and their primary function is to keep people in the system to make money for the community. Putnam County, FL is a big example of this. The local saying is "Come on vacation, leave on probation."

Responsibility is still on law breakers but the way laws are enforced is suspect. I spent half a year in jail because my 4 year old daughter got out of the house. I was using the bathroom the first time, she figured out how to undo the latch and ran down the dirt road on our cul-de-sac. A neighbor about 800 feet down the road called the cops even though he knew us. I realized she was gone and ran down the dirt road to see cops there...it was only a few minutes but they constantly patrolled the area so response was quick. Was given a warning and told DCF would visit. I installed small alarms on the windows and moved the latch to the top of the door.

A couple weeks later(after working all night) I came home to my wife taking my son to school. I locked and bolted the door and went to my room. My daughter was watching cartoons at the end of my bed and fell asleep. I dozed off and woke up to cops coming in my bedroom with guns drawn asking about my daughter. She had moved a dining room chair, got her old potty chair out of my closet and was just able to reach the latch to go look for her mother. She even showed the police and DCF workers what happened. DCF said I had done nothing wrong and pointed out measures I'd taken. She was found by the same neighbors house.

Cops didnt care. 6 months in jail, $2500 in court costs/fines, a no contact order wit my daughter and 3 years probation. In the end, I'm the adult responsible and just glad she was safe but I got completely screwed by a corrupt legal system that takes advantage of poor people, especially minorities.
 
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Devo182 said:
Not to get into the current side discussion, as I've said my peace on the topic many times over, but as a meta-comment on the side discussion...

1) A handful of black candidates have been said to be a part of the current DC search.

2) Now there is a full blown discussion on race and relations.

If all the candidates had been white, would such a discussion be happening?

This isn't a negative comment toward anyone, just a general observation of how many of us perceive what the norm is.
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No one has a problem with black candidates, just the current perception that UT seems to be targeting only black candidates.
 
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