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Glitch said:
Many of the poorer European immigrants to the United States would probably disagree with you as they tried to eek and scratch out a survival in their ghettos and slums. But hey at least they were white and had all that privilege.

I am not discounting the horrors and evils that black folks have had to endure over the years. I am merely pointing out that the problem is much more of a socioeconomic problem than it is a race problem. If it was then there wouldn't be a diverse set of people in Congress, playing professional sports, sitting on the boards of companies, running their own businesses, etc.

Rich folks tend to have more opportunity and poor folks less. The question is how do we help poor folks have more opportunity. I don't know the answer but I know the gubment is definitely not the answer. They've been screwing it up since they started trying to fix it.
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This is also a good post. I do think systemic racism exists in certain institutions in America but I know firsthand that having or not having money/opportunity is the biggest contributor to quality of life and how you are treated by police, courts, banks, etc.

I have a great life now but I have been on the short end of the stick with the justice system when I was in a place where I didn't have money/opportunity. I did time for something that anyone with enough money to hire an attorney would have never spent jail time for and then got hit with years of probation...you probably wouldn't believe me if I told you what is was for.

Now, I take responsibility for being at a place in my life where I had very little money, no opportunity(no vehicle and living in a community with literally no jobs and no public transportation). I made some mistakes to end up there. My point is that people in situations and places like that have very little margin for error. One thing goes wrong and you are in a very difficult position to get out of and the system is designed to keep you in it. People in communities like this are treated the same regardless of race....they are all treated like shite because they are poor.

I got lucky and someone let me use their vehicle to drive to a job 45 mins to an hour away. I worked hard, got back on my feet, got a better job, moved to a better area and made 6 figures last year. Would that person have let me use their vehicle had I been black? I doubt it. Would my current employer have looked past the probation if I was black? Yes, but only because of the skills I had from years of success in my field. I wouldn't have those skills if I had grown up in the community I lived in at the time.

I agree that the bigger issue is socioeconomic but man...being poor sucks but being poor and black is even more difficult to overcome, especially when you are born into hopelessness and it's all you've ever known.
 
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thistime said:
I had the strangest dream in my medicated state late last night. I think I remember people expressing their opinions and nobody threw anything or yelled or call anybody names it was really civil and very informative......then we chased the little animals around in a big grass field and just laughed. It was such fun , then I woke up ....I think. Anyway here come the nice men with.......you guessed it .............. SKITTLES !!!!!! WWOOOOHHOOOOO LIVING THE DREAM BABY !!!!
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preacherwebb said:
So if he has called plays, and SC's D was that bad with him doing it ... that makes it a "no" from me
(not that my vote counts, nor does anyone elses, take that as you will)
(not you @MarcoVol just in general)
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He was there for four years, I’d be interested to see the defensive stats as a whole.

A coordinator can usually only go as far as the head coach will take the program, and it’s been clear to everyone for a while that Muschamp wasn’t going to make it.
 
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drylo said:
I think that misunderstands the dynamics at play. The KKK is an extreme example, obviously, but there was a time when Jim Crow (and before that, race-inflected slavery) commanded legislative majorities.

You would say that’s because the “good people” didn’t stand up and fight against it. Thus, the lesson you take from Jim Crow is we should talk about and focus on race more.

I think the more compelling story is that apparently an awful lot of people thought it was pretty important to sort people and apportion opportunities and rights based on skin tone, so I think the sooner we move away from that mental model altogether the better. Dividing people into categories based on how dark or light their skin is (noting that we all have some mix of different ancestry) is ultimately just what it says in the name — divisive. Not to mention unjust.
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I don't think we should "focus on race" as much as be mindful of the entrenched system of disparity. That knot won't untie itself. Several ideas while well-intentioned are misguided, such as quotas. I don't have the answers as to how to fix it, but I know that simply saying ignoring it will make it go away is equally or more misguided. The simple fact is that the economics of the problem still favor disenfranchisement. Why would an employer pay a black candidate (or a woman candidate) for a job when they can get away with paying $0.80 on the dollar? Or, employers may subtly discount the qualifications of minorities and women in hiring decisions for reasons that they themselves don't fully understand. If business is left to their own devices, they will often pay less because it makes financial sense or they will simply continue to hire who they've traditionally hired because it's worked in the past. Simply asking everyone to treat everyone else fairly is guaranteed to keep things status quo. Opportunities have to be created some way and simply hoping that the honor system will prevail is foolish.
 
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Tyler865 said:
He was there for four years, I’d be interested to see the defensive stats as a whole.

A coordinator can usually only go as far as the head coach will take the program, and it’s been clear to everyone for a while that Muschamp wasn’t going to make it.
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People refuse to look at roster and what someone lost year before just see a staff that got fired and say they suck. Muschamp and trob have developed a ton of NFL talent even at S.Carolina. It’s a hard place to be consistent at in this conference. It’s a school thst will always be up and down no matter the coach.
 
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butchna said:
One of those “a very good friend’s mother told me...” threads claimed Conklin had already told his players he was leaving...Austin pulled his VQ britches down and crapped all over it.
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So if someone starts a thread like this for everyone rumored then we can find out who to mark off?
 
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You guys are being silly not wanting T-Rob. There is a reason Muschamp wanted him at Florida, Auburn and South Carolina and why Manny Diaz jumped at the opportunity to hire him at Miami. He’s a excellent DB coach and recruiter. Has ties all over the southeast. This isn’t the days of defenses holding opponents to 10 while your offense scores17. He would be serviceable as a DC with how explosive our offense should be in the near future.
 
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xtremevolfan said:
You guys are being silly not wanting T-Rob. There is a reason Muschamp wanted him at Florida, Auburn and South Carolina and why Manny Diaz jumped at the opportunity to hire him at Miami. He’s a excellent DB coach and recruiter. Has ties all over the southeast. This isn’t the days of defenses holding opponents to 10 while your offense scores17. He would be serviceable as a DC with how explosive our offense should be in the near future.
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This.
 
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