George Floyd Protest/Riots

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UT_VOLS13 said:
Poll: 79% of Truckers Won't Deliver to Cities with Defunded Police
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This is true, there is a trucker I watch on YouTube who broadcasts his trips "Live" after wrapping up a delivery about mid-day Friday he said we had another trip lined up for delivery in downtown Chicago tonight but he said someone else can take it.

Said "I'm to old to be taking a delivery into downtown Chicago on a Friday night with these protests & riots going on." "Someone younger & braver can handle that."
 
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landscapingvol said:
Remind me of your libertarianism when someone you love is killed by someone convicted of DUI. Your murder logic is nonsensical. Being intoxicated in a vehicle is motive enough or should they wait until there is a car full of innocent victims?
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Point to one place I defended DUI, or said that it should be legalized. I merely stated that it should be proved, and laws shouldn't be written with a presumption of guilt because the police can't won't be able to prove guilt.

I am in awe that this is so hard to comprehend by so many otherwise intelligent folks.

Jimminy Crickets you guys want to arrest people who are sleeping for driving!

And for the record, my best friend/cousin was decapitated by a drunk driver two weeks after he got his driver's license. I have no love for drunk drivers. But I also won't think with my feelz when our basic human rights need to be defended against gov't overreach. When they can write laws that incarcerate people they haven't proven guilty, it's all over with but the crying.

Take your lack of an argument to someone who won't recognize how empty it is, eh?
 
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vol445 said:
He’s not necessarily wrong. I was trying to think of any other law where you could arrest before the fact and I can’t. In Tennessee the key has to be in the ignition however you can’t sit across from a bar and wait that is entrapment.
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Or convict based on the assumption of guilt without having to prove guilt. That's some really hairy **** right there.
 
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Purple Tiger said:
No. People fall asleep at the wheel then they are sober, too. At least dude was in the drive thru getting something to eat so he would sober up. I think a lot of us - including myself - have driven drunk in a Wendy's drive thru lane late at night.
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Purps.. I cant believe this is your take. You are my antithesis
 
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golfballs said:
They released the body cam footage?
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It seemed to be from a near by business security cam. He fought the two officers that were trying to put him in the car. If he would have gotten in, he would still be alive. (not that it justifies his death)
 
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KB5252 said:
I'm fine with the key part, but I think just sitting in a car with no keys in the ignition does not constitute DUI
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Why would you be OK with the key part? Would you be fine with the law written to assume conviction of murder because you have a concealed carry permit and you're angry with your spouse?

What other law short-cuts proof of having committed the offense like this one does? Or writes in the guilt based on the fact that you may do it in the future just because circumstances make that offense possible?
 
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hog88 said:
I have and I still disagree with out DUI laws.
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People handle their alcohol differently so I could understand your point to a degree. I’m more against the DUI checkpoints and such more than I am the actual laws pertainIng to convicting someone. Most DUIs involve the person driving reckless or erratic before they’re pulled over....or worse.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
You posted that ANY TIME someone is in a vehicle with access to keys, and they have a BAC, it's DUI. That's a ******** law. If they had been driving, prove it. Otherwise, you are promoting laws written to make it an automatic conviction because they can't actually prove the part they want to make illegal DRIVING while intoxicated.
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I think it can also include just access to keys as "intent" to drive. Another friend got a DUI for having his car keys on him as he walked around drunk.

Not sure if that stuck in court though.
 
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vol445 said:
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Your D.A. is wrong, because I've had at least 3 similar convictions in Knox County under those circumstances:


Tennessee law makes it illegal to drive or be in physical control of a motor vehicle while under the influence, which leads to the reasonable question of, what does physical control mean exactly? The Tennessee Supreme Court attempted to answer that question in State v. Lawrence. Mr. Lawrence was found asleep behind the wheel of his truck, leaning toward the passenger side. The engine was off and the keys were in his pocket. He was alone. He was found guilty of DUI for being in physical control of the truck and the Supreme Court upheld the conviction. It said that the jury should consider the “totality of the circumstances” in deciding whether someone had control of the vehicle and that the jury should consider things like where the defendant was in the vehicle, where the keys were, whether the motor was running, whether the vehicle could be or was capable of being driven. The Court seemed to find it important that the car could have been immediately placed in motion and could have therefore become dangerous at any time
 
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lawgator1 said:
This is correct. I can tell you that any legitimate police trainer or expert is going to say that this use of deadly force was warranted, for exactly the reason you point out.

The fact that he was running away make zero difference because he had turned and was trying to hit the officers.

The prosecutors who are speaking out on this already should be ashamed of themselves.
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C-south said:
People handle their alcohol differently so I could understand your point to a degree. I’m more against the DUI checkpoints and such more than I am the actual laws pertainIng to convicting someone. Most DUIs involve the person driving reckless or erratic before they’re pulled over....or worse.
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this. Passing out in a drive thru is enough for me to arrest. Sitting in a car in front of a bar or restaurant that serves, I can see the argument that theres no proof of operations.
 
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golfballs said:
They released the body cam footage?
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I’m not sure if it was from the body cam or not.... it showed him resisting as they were trying to put him in the patrol car....he put his feet and hands up on the outside of the door pushing back as hard as he could not letting them put him in the patrol car.
 
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volbeast33 said:
I’m not sure if it was from the body cam or not.... it showed him resisting as they were trying to put him in the patrol car....he put his feet and hands up on the outside of the door pushing back as hard as he could not letting them put him in the patrol car.
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I saw the same video.
 
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vol445 said:
What do you guys think of them removing school resource officers?
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Dimocrats = We don't need guns in untrained teachers or faculty members hands, we need more police officers in schools to stop school shootings!

Also

Dimocrats = We need less police in schools to make it a safe and nurturing environment for everyone!
 
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KB5252 said:
I have another question I've been given conflicting info on. Can you have an open container as a passenger in Tennessee?
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My understanding is that there are a handful of states in which this is permissible, Tennessee being one of them. I do not live in Tennessee but make very frequent return trips to Knoxville for games/general visits, and this always comes up as I'm the only person who is under the impression that it's legal (with driver permission, wink) to consume beer in an Uber.
 
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LouderVol said:
My understanding is no.
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I've heard the opposite. A passenger can have an open container but the driver cannot. I think TN is one of the few states in the nation with this type of "pass the bottle" law. A few years ago there was a Haslam supported push in the legislature for an open container prohibition, but I don't think it passed.
 
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vol445 said:
What do you guys think of them removing school resource officers?
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they've shown to be little more than window dressing in some places with no duty to protect anyone. It's actually disheartening to drop off my kids and see them but they're likely a deterrent in my county
 
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