To Protect and to Serve II

#10,251
#10,251
Pepe_Silvia said:
I'm willing to give the free market a chance to fix the problem. Obviously the government solution is an abject failure.
Click to expand...

A recent pole puts 80-85% of people across all political lines in favor of police reform with oversight being placed in the hands of someone other than the police. Yet not one politician anywhere is offering any plans for reform. As to your point, you’re absolutely correct. The government has no plans to do anything any differently.
 
  • Like
Reactions: tennvols77
#10,254
#10,254
Orangeslice13 said:
A recent pole puts 80-85% of people across all political lines in favor of police reform with oversight being placed in the hands of someone other than the police. Yet not one politician anywhere is offering any plans for reform. As to your point, you’re absolutely correct. The government has no plans to do anything any differently.
Click to expand...

People literally had to start burning down police stations and police cars to get the government to acknowledge any need for a change. I dont think we'll see any significant lasting change once all of this blows over.
 
#10,255
#10,255
DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Yup. Competition is the key. The market will work.
Click to expand...
As a small business owner I am a big fan of the free market.
Dealing with governments tend to limit their effectiveness.
Look at the CDC for example. Approximately 10% of their budget goes to what you and I would consider their mission.
Look it up, you’ll be shocked at what they do with the money we the people give them
 
  • Like
Reactions: tennvols77
#10,256
#10,256
Pepe_Silvia said:
People literally had to start burning down police stations and police cars to get the government to acknowledge any need for a change. I dont think we'll see any significant lasting change once all of this blows over.
Click to expand...
Now you’re speaking my language. They’re waiting and hoping for a Covid 19 spike so they can move on like this never happened
 
#10,258
#10,258
Orangeslice13 said:
As a small business owner I am a big fan of the free market.
Dealing with governments tend to limit their effectiveness.
Look at the CDC for example. Approximately 10% of their budget goes to what you and I would consider their mission.
Look it up, you’ll be shocked at what they do with the money we the people give them
Click to expand...
I have 0 faith in any state institution. I know I was shocked by Ben Swanns report on the actual budgets of the big city police departments. New York is literally something like 6 billion dollars. That’s insanity.
 
  • Like
Reactions: tennvols77 and Orangeslice13
#10,260
#10,260
Orangeslice13 said:
As a small business owner I am a big fan of the free market.
Dealing with governments tend to limit their effectiveness.
Look at the CDC for example. Approximately 10% of their budget goes to what you and I would consider their mission.
Look it up, you’ll be shocked at what they do with the money we the people give them
Click to expand...
And the CDC is woefully incompetent at their main mission. The perverse incentives of government bureaucracy will ensure the CDC gets more funding due to their failures.
 
  • Like
Reactions: tennvols77 and Orangeslice13
#10,261
#10,261
DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
I have 0 faith in any state institution. I know I was shocked by Ben Swanns report on the actual budgets of the big city police departments. New York is literally something like 6 billion dollars. That’s insanity.
Click to expand...

Government does 3 things really well.
1) extract productivity (money) from citizens
2) create lines where none would be
3) eliminate human life with ruthless efficiency
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: DEFENDTHISHOUSE
#10,263
#10,263
Orangeslice13 said:
By who? That’s my fear. We do away with the police where we still have a shot at reforming the system and sell out to businesses who can then make even more money filling up prisons that they run for profit. And guess who will be the most incarcerated......poor blacks .....that’s who.
Click to expand...

Well let me step back, I'm not a proponent of getting rid of the police. I was mainly addressing that post I was replying to. There is considerable hand wringing about how we are going to hold private security accountable when right now the burning question is how do we keep police accountable right now. In either case, it is going to be an issue, but the thin blue line crew only sees it being a problem if their services are outsourced.
 
  • Like
Reactions: marcusluvsvols, Orangeslice13 and Pepe_Silvia
#10,265
#10,265
Rasputin_Vol said:
Now, playing Devil's advocate... what pool of candidates will be available for these security companies? What kind of experience do you think these companies will be wanting to see on those resumes?
Click to expand...
That would be up to the companies. I’m sure they’d have a criteria. We could look at the threat management company in Detroit for examples.

For any of this to have the slightest chance of being successful there will need to be a significant curtailment of the criminal code in this country. Or as slice said, they’ll just fill the prisons with poor folks and drug offenders and it’ll be the same song, second verse.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Pepe_Silvia
#10,267
#10,267
DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
That would be up to the companies. I’m sure they’d have a criteria. We could look at the threat management company in Detroit for examples.

For any of this to have the slightest chance of being successful there will need to be a significant curtailment of the criminal code in this country. Or as slice said, they’ll just fill the prisons with poor folks and drug offenders and it’ll be the same song, second verse.
Click to expand...
I guess what I was eluding to is that you may end up with a bunch of former cops lining to fill in these spots based on the criteria and available talent...
 
#10,268
#10,268
Rasputin_Vol said:
I guess what I was eluding to is that you may end up with a bunch of former cops lining to fill in these spots based on the criteria and available talent...
Click to expand...
I wouldn’t see that as a bad thing. Although I’d imagine it would be like playing basketball when you’re used to playing football.


For the record, I don’t see any of this happening anytime soon. People simply love the state entirely too much even to their own detriment.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Pepe_Silvia and Rasputin_Vol
#10,273
#10,273
  • Like
Reactions: Rickyvol77
#10,275
#10,275
Rasputin_Vol said:
I guess what I was eluding to is that you may end up with a bunch of former cops lining to fill in these spots based on the criteria and available talent...
Click to expand...
Exactly what I was thinking. You cannot have the same people who resort to violence when their feelings get hurt being on the front lines of law enforcement again.
BTW- alluding not eluding. You’re very welcome 😉
 
New posts
You must log in or register to reply here.
Advertisement





Back
Top