To Protect and to Serve II

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RockyTop85 said:
Ok. But what about the conduct that isn’t illegal but is unacceptable? Im also thinking that there are police-specific statutes behavior that make things that are illegal for you and me not illegal for police.

I like your idea. Not arguing against you. Just curious about the lengths you’d go to.
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It’s my belief that what’s acceptable and even what’s legal would evolve over time. For example if the law is explained to the “jury” (for lack of a better word) and the results or findings are still offensive to “we the people” then those laws and policies will Be subject to change due to public pressure. The difference is under my system the people are heard and any preconceived belief that the police are covering for each other is removed. Also I believe this system would put pressure on the police to behave in a more professional manner. It’s a lot tougher to justify bad behavior to a group of citizens than to other police officers. The days of a guy getting 15 complaints of brutality unchecked would be over.
 
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Having said all that......

I do not believe any change is coming. I see no effort from either party to even begin to talk about reforms. On the contrary I think both parties want the status quo of a split population. It makes it easier to play to your base and blame the other side for all the problems.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
It’s my belief that what’s acceptable and even what’s legal would evolve over time. For example if the law is explained to the “jury” (for lack of a better word) and the results or findings are still offensive to “we the people” then those laws and policies will Be subject to change due to public pressure. The difference is under my system the people are heard and any preconceived belief that the police are covering for each other is removed. Also I believe this system would put pressure on the police to behave in a more professional manner. It’s a lot tougher to justify bad behavior to a group of citizens than to other police officers. The days of a guy getting 15 complaints of brutality unchecked would be over.
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I like it.
100% agree that the diminishing value of the franchise is one of the more significant root problems.
 
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I love how they said he tripped until the video surfaced. And then 57 members of the emergency response team resigned from that from that team (not the force completely*) cause they’re butthurt their brothers got suspended for assaulting an old man.

Kinda shines a little light on what a load of crap the whole 99% of cops are good argument is, at least in regards to the Buffalo department. Looks like that department is rotten to the core.

*Although they didn’t resign completely, if that department has an ounce of integrity (which I’m sure they don’t) not a single one of those 57 officers would ever wear a badge again imo.
 
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Cdywolfe said:
*Although they didn’t resign completely, if that department has an ounce of integrity (which I’m sure they don’t) not a single one of those 57 officers would ever wear a badge again imo.
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Cops play by different rules. Had that been any of us, our resignations would stick. But these guys will get the chance to crawfish back.
 
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headhunter15 said:
Agreed. I do believe there needs to be reform in law enforcement, but why take away the police. It will harm the low income and minority community all over these towns.
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I’m one of the most critical of the police here. We do NOT need to defund the police. We already see the results in new York. Maceys has private security standing around to prevent looting. Without police the private security will rule in a way the police never thought of. If you get your ass beat by the security and there’s no police then there’s no recourse. The small business owners who cannot afford private security will be exterminated by criminals.

Defunding the police is moronic
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
I’m one of the most critical of the police here. We do NOT need to defund the police. We already see the results in new York. Maceys has private security standing around to prevent looting. Without police the private security will rule in a way the police never thought of. If you get your ass beat by the security and there’s no police then there’s no recourse. The small business owners who cannot afford private security will be exterminated by criminals.

Defunding the police is moronic
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Welcome to Bill de Blasio’s New York City.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
Was there in August.
It’s really gone down hill recently.
This August when I go to Long Island to see family again we will not be going into the city.
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I grew up there. The last few times I’ve been there, I am saddened by how bad it has become.
I will admit that Times Square and Hell’s Kitchen look better now than when I lived there but overall, not looking good.
 
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