Recruiting Forum Football Talk [RIP 9.3.2019]

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bignewt said:
I'm with Hank, I realize the weaknesses he is dealing with but he has shown me very little in terms of intangibles since he has been here and that is a very very very important value for a QB.
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don't disagree.

my thing on JG lately has been pretty simple...he's been doing what he's been asked to do, and he's done it fairly effectively.

so why not let him do more.

i've been a little higher on JG lately, but i don't have any misconceptions...i don't think he's a difference maker. but he's at least shown that he can manage an offense. so why not put a little more on him and see what happens. we've already seen the FL game and that's about as bad as it can get.

no where to go but up kind of attitude for me.
 
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I’m a fairly liberal user of the ignore feature and Hank made my ignore list a few weeks ago. Seems to me he’s developed a lot of bones to pick and has been a mild malcontent who can’t handle a rebuilding season.

I’m as exhausted and disappointed as the next guy about our season but I expected it and I’m convinced we simply don’t have a better QB on the roster at the moment than JG. I don’t think any of the others would move the needle that much, and some would be a disaster. Let’s let him take his lumps and learn.

The problem with football relative to other sports is you only have a handful of games. That increases the pressure to win them all, when sometimes you need to just sit back and let young players struggle through things. In baseball you can leave a young pitcher out there after a disastrous two or three starts to learn how to overcome it. In football it seems the answer is to panic, pull the plug, shove in the backup and call your agent to prep for your inevitable firing once the fans call for your head.
 
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volsagain said:
Texas A&M isn't in Texas OK. Look jimbo,urby,smart,dabo and now we're all hoping we have the nxt saban. UT was not going to pay the money to get that proven talent. ..
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Dude..it is hard to take you seriously when it takes 2 or three times reading your posts to translate them into English.
 
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jakez4ut said:
well, i think most do.

but there's also a lot of truth in "doing the same things over and over again, expecting different results is the oldest form of insanity".

so the only way doing what we do the way we do it, the same way over and over, makes any sense, is if we simply don't care about the result changing.
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Just to be contrary - there's also a lot of truth in "practice makes perfect".
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HankHill said:
If you have to surround a QB win great talent to perform then he isn’t a good QB... QB is the ultimate Duck tape position they make bad rosters look better.
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Eh we'll see how things with JG shake out long term. He's at least shown upside that he could be a capable game manager who can hit some long balls here and there down the road. Experience is huge for QBs. It's not uncommon to see the light really come on and things to slow down for a QB once he's got a couple seasons under his belt. Dobbs' strides as a passer in 2016 and Brandon Allen's Sr season come to mind.

I doubt JG will ever be a great QB for us, but I also think he's far from a lost cause.
 
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SmokinBob said:
Just to be contrary - there's also a lot of truth in "practice makes perfect".
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good news...we get 5 days a week to practice..... :)

but i think the point was in regards to the 80% run on first down deal....thats'....excessive. lol.
 
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
Mehlan would have been better than almost everybody we went after..I have said that a gazillion times. I just don't believe he would have come close to recruiting well enough at UT to do much better than he did at MSU. At UF he doesn't have to be an ace recruiter to recruit well. It is the perfect situation for him. He gets to ride what is left of the Urban coatails in Florida...he will do better there than he would have anywhere else. He will always be hard to beat for us there.

Pruitt got the short end of the coaching carousel stick imo. A raw lunatic fan base with zero patience, a brutal schedule, OJT taking it's pound of flesh and a roster on par with the worst in P5 football...

Not a recipe for much success, but I'm pulling for him to make it, I believe he and the staff are all really good football coaches..but I just really doubt he will. The Barbarians are already marching on the gates and it is just a few games into his tenure. Just no patience or understanding from this fanbase left.


And that is also understandable...trust me I get it, but I just think it is so counter-productive to the future, to be hyper-critical of these guys now. We need them to at least get better, tougher, more fundamentally sound football players in here to ever have a chance of rejoining the elite..where we belong. If we tear these guys down, instead of defend them at the grassroots level..it will make doing that much harder.

So I will do my part and toe that company line...even if I have some of the same concerns.
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Good Post McGill

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Rishvol said:
The thing is he's had all the time in the world to throw more times than not but he he's a first read then nothing QB
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What games have you been watching? JG has definitely not had "all the time in the world to throw more times than not" this season. He's lucky if he has 3 seconds to throw most of the time.
 
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engineerVOL said:
I think he’ll be displaced too. Someone else will get serious run at the job. I just don’t think he’s a winning-type QB. Seems like a good kid who loves the game, he’s just not in the right conference.
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I'm not sure we have someone on the roster who will be able to overtake him by next year. I like Maurer, but I'm not sure he's a guy who's gonna come in as a freshman earn the job as a starter outright. Shrout has a big arm and all, but I'm not sure he needs a lot of development. Hopefully, we'll snag another QB this recruiting class who can be the kind of stud QB we need as a freshman, but it seems like the staff is focused elsewhere at the moment.

Barring injury (which isn't unlikely), I think JG may just be the guy by default for another season and a half. We've just gotta hope that continuity and experience will help him come along.
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
What exactly do you mean by moxie? I'd say he has plenty of moxie, he just doesn't have enough grasp on the mental aspect of the game to be particularly dynamic.
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Moxie isn't the ability to get up after getting annihilated by a D tackle. Its making things happen, improbable things. Its somehow making your team better. Its putting the ball in the only place it could be caught WHEN IT COUNTS. Its putting the team on your shoulders and willing a win.
 
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JacketVol said:
And they should be. Work in slowly in low leverage situations and try to build confidence.
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Agreed. I think if they can bring him along slowly and steadily Shrout could be big time. But the last thing he needs is some sort of physical/mental setback from being forced into early action.
 
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bignewt said:
Moxie isn't the ability to get up after getting annihilated by a D tackle. Its making things happen, improbable things. Its somehow making your team better. Its putting the ball in the only place it could be caught WHEN IT COUNTS. Its putting the team on your shoulders and willing a win.
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yeah, haven't seen that. agreed.
 
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bignewt said:
Moxie isn't the ability to get up after getting annihilated by a D tackle. Its making things happen, improbable things. Its somehow making your team better. Its putting the ball in the only place it could be caught WHEN IT COUNTS. Its putting the team on your shoulders and willing a win.
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Ok if that's your definition of Moxie, then we agree. Not sure we've had a QB who fits that definition since Casey Clausen, TBH. As great as Dobbs was at time.
 
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
Dude..it is hard to take you seriously when it takes 2 or three times reading your posts to translate them into English.
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OK , but my head has been spinning scene 07 with all the problems and coaches we've had. I use to bet on these games often, the new generation of players are up and down.unless you're bama you have to have an electric QB or great decision makers that has the team behind him.
 
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