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Ulysees E. McGill said:
Exactly..I don't know how other intelligent people can not understand this.
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well, i think most do.

but there's also a lot of truth in "doing the same things over and over again, expecting different results is the oldest form of insanity".

so the only way doing what we do the way we do it, the same way over and over, makes any sense, is if we simply don't care about the result changing.
 
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
Mehlan would have been better than almost everybody we went after..I have said that a gazillion times. I just don't believe he would have come close to recruiting well enough at UT to do much better than he did at MSU. At UF he doesn't have to be an ace recruiter to recruit well. It is the perfect situation for him. He gets to ride what is left of the Urban coatails in Florida...he will do better there than he would have anywhere else. He will always be hard to beat for us there.

Pruitt got the short end of the coaching carousel stick imo. A raw lunatic fan base with zero patience, a brutal schedule, OJT taking it's pound of flesh and a roster on par with the worst in P5 football...

Not a recipe for much success, but I'm pulling for him to make it, I believe he and the staff are all really good football coaches..but I just really doubt he will. The Barbarians are already marching on the gates and it is just a few games into his tenure. Just no patience or understanding from this fanbase left.


And that is also understandable...trust me I get it, but I just think it is so counter-productive to the future, to be hyper-critical of these guys now. We need them to at least get better, tougher, more fundamentally sound football players in here to ever have a chance of rejoining the elite..where we belong. If we tear these guys down, instead of defend them at the grassroots level..it will make doing that much harder.

So I will do my part and toe that company line...even if I have some of the same concerns.
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i don't know that the barbarians are at the gate.......

but in merit, there's actually a lot here i agree with.
 
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
Mehlan would have been better than almost everybody we went after..I have said that a gazillion times. I just don't believe he would have come close to recruiting well enough at UT to do much better than he did at MSU. At UF he doesn't have to be an ace recruiter to recruit well. It is the perfect situation for him. He gets to ride what is left of the Urban coatails in Florida...he will do better there than he would have anywhere else. He will always be hard to beat for us there.

Pruitt got the short end of the coaching carousel stick imo. A raw lunatic fan base with zero patience, a brutal schedule, OJT taking it's pound of flesh and a roster on par with the worst in P5 football...

Not a recipe for much success, but I'm pulling for him to make it, I believe he and the staff are all really good football coaches..but I just really doubt he will. The Barbarians are already marching on the gates and it is just a few games into his tenure. Just no patience or understanding from this fanbase left.


And that is also understandable...trust me I get it, but I just think it is so counter-productive to the future, to be hyper-critical of these guys now. We need them to at least get better, tougher, more fundamentally sound football players in here to ever have a chance of rejoining the elite..where we belong. If we tear these guys down, instead of defend them at the grassroots level..it will make doing that much harder.

So I will do my part and toe that company line...even if I have some of the same concerns.
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VolGee4 said:
Then fail at doing something different. It's pretty simple, and it's a theme in life. If you fail at something over and over again, try something different.

But if you scheme a few plays where execution on the lines doesn't have to be perfect, then it might work.
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SMH..they have done that a few times. Look..this is simple football, when you can't block at all...I mean literally at all, there is literally a missed/unexecuted blocking assignment on nearly every play, then the defense is able to totally contract, making "open space" impossible to find. If the blocking (not just OL, but TEs, RBs and WRs)can just get a little better at consistent execution, then the offense will get better. I really believe that is when you will see them open it up a little more.
 
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jakez4ut said:
well, i think most do.

but there's also a lot of truth in "doing the same things over and over again, expecting different results is the oldest form of insanity".

so the only way doing what we do the way we do it, the same way over and over, makes any sense, is if we simply don't care about the result changing.
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Yea, I don't care if it's a no gain run with misdirection. At least it's different than a no gain run on a straight handoff because we have seen that multiple times. 6 turnovers in the UF game can't get any worse.
 
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HankHill said:
A lot of people on here were saying how we have a talented roster but butch was just a cars salesmen.

I just think it’s fair to say that a lot of people snubbed their noses at “mehlen” and it wasn’t the worst thing in the world that we went after him. Hell some people snubbed their noses at the thought of jimbo Fisher lol
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I couldn't believe people were turning their nose up at Mullen. I was even more in a state of disbelief when people were acting like we were too good for Jimbo Fisher, like we're Alabama or Ohio State or something. You're a bozo if you didn't want Jimbo Fisher IMO.
 
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
SMH..they have done that a few times. Look..this is simple football, when you can't block at all...I mean literally at all, there is literally a missed/unexecuted blocking assignment on nearly every play, then the defense is able to totally contract, making "open space" impossible to find. If the blocking (not just OL, but TEs, RBs and WRs)can just get a little better at consistent execution, then the offense will get better. I really believe that is when you will see them open it up a little more.
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siap, there's a fine line in being disciplined to your process (which any staff should be) and being stubborn. the old "we do what we do" mentaility just doesn't work in today's football. that only works when you do what you do, really freaking well.

the rest is hiding as best as possible what you struggle at, while finding and exploiting what your opponent doesn't do well.
 
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
I can see it coming, and I think we will be worse off than ever for it.
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eh. there's a fringe element on message boards and radio talk show callers that compells them to voice ever displeasure.
there's a much larger silent majority that will be more patient....i don't worry about some of the blowhards here. it's usually the same group of people, and they say the same things all the time.

that's not representative of the whole fan base.
 
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
SMH..they have done that a few times. Look..this is simple football, when you can't block at all...I mean literally at all, there is literally a missed/unexecuted blocking assignment on nearly every play, then the defense is able to totally contract, making "open space" impossible to find. If the blocking (not just OL, but TEs, RBs and WRs)can just get a little better at consistent execution, then the offense will get better. I really believe that is when you will see them open it up a little more.
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It's called scheming. Just look at the Chandler TD catch and run. UGA did blitz one man, so they brought 5. But it was a simple flat route that was out of JG's hands in less than 2 seconds. He basically got one block 5 yards downfield and he did the rest. It won't happen all of the time, but if you scheme those "type" of plays to your playmakers, then good things could happen.

Look, I am usually a positive person, and I understand execution is an issue. It is difficult to call plays when guys can't execute. But, 26 runs on first down and Ty Chandler getting the ball 9 times are problems. Additionally, I sit and watch game after game of playcalls that are creative with teams that aren't necessarily strong upfront.
 
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jakez4ut said:
siap, there's a fine line in being disciplined to your process (which any staff should be) and being stubborn. the old "we do what we do" mentaility just doesn't work in today's football. that only works when you do what you do, really freaking well.

the rest is hiding as best as possible what you struggle at, while finding and exploiting what your opponent doesn't do well.
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And I'm saying the problem with the team from the coaches view is execution, not necessarily the results. I don't think they are just being stubborn for the sake of being stubborn, I believe they are trying to get the team to learn how to consistently fundamentally execute their individual assignments on even the simplest of plays before moving on to implementation of more complex "creative" plays. That is just common sense.
 
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
And I'm saying the problem with the team from the coaches view is execution, not necessarily the results. I don't think they are just being stubborn for the sake of being stubborn, I believe they are trying to get the team to learn how to consistently fundamentally execute their individual assignments on even the simplest of plays before moving on to implementation of more complex "creative" plays. That is just common sense.
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i agree with you on the execution part. i don't think they're intentionally being stubborn trying to jam the square peg in the round hole. i think they are pretty limited by several things on this offense, starting with the o line.

that said, that doesn't mean you can't/shouldn't build on whatever it is you do well. and the reality is that we have some decent skill position players at WR. two big TE's and 3-4 RB's that bring different things to the table, with Chandler being as close to a difference maker as you have. and you have a qb that has been very efficient. you can find ways to establish a game plan to accentuate those strengths, and not completely depart from what you're funamentally trying to do.
 
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VolGee4 said:
It's called scheming. Just look at the Chandler TD catch and run. UGA did blitz one man, so they brought 5. But it was a simple flat route that was out of JG's hands in less than 2 seconds. He basically got one block 5 yards downfield and he did the rest. It won't happen all of the time, but if you scheme those "type" of plays to your playmakers, then good things could happen.

Look, I am usually a positive person, and I understand execution is an issue. It is difficult to call plays when guys can't execute. But, 26 runs on first down and Ty Chandler getting the ball 9 times are problems. Additionally, I sit and watch game after game of playcalls that are creative with teams that aren't necessarily strong upfront.
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And I believe Pruitt and co. are playing the long game, and sacrificing points, and the lipstick on a pig, smoke and mirrors routines that would satisfy fans, to force these guys into learning how to play real football.
 
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
And I believe Pruitt and co. are playing the long game, and sacrificing points, and the lipstick on a pig, smoke and mirrors routines that would satisfy fans, to force these guys into learning how to play real football.
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I think a couple of SEC wins would be just as beneficial as "playing the long game." Plus, most of us think that most of this OL won't be starting in the near future if we bring in Morris and Wright. The culture will need to start with those guys.
 
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