Von Pearson Update

Von would be a defense witness, maybe,THE defense witness, in the AJ case...same prosecutor.

If you don't think you can win the first one, why not just make everyone as miserable as possible?

What sucks is that AJ's trial isn't until late August, right?

So this prosecutor could drag VP's investigation out until right before the season starts, causing him to miss all of fall camp and probably the entire season as well.
 
Likewise, if you have 100...err 85 sheep, would you not leave the 99...i mean 84, to go find the lost sheep? Then rejoice when he returned?

No. I would do a cursory look for from within the fence.

If he returned, yes.
 
What sucks is that AJ's trial isn't until late August, right?

So this prosecutor could drag VP's investigation out until right before the season starts, causing him to miss all of fall camp and probably the entire season as well.

The best I can tell there is no criminal investigation going on in VP's case. Don't think anyone has been interviewed but the alleged victim by the police/DA...after all this time, there's just an allegation, no charges.

The school's investigation is another matter and is on going and what people need to remember is that the school is looking out for the school. As far as that, what's the best outcome?

Do you, don't mean you specifically, think they will reinstate VP before knowing whether the Prosecutor is going to move forward or not?

He's in limbo. Time passing might change some moods, which is what needs to happen imo.
 
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Coach Mathews just said Von, while not technically back with the team yet, is indeed working out in the Anderson Training center and, as has been mentioned already, is enrolled with the University for summer classes.
 
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Maybe this incident is over. There appears to be no cover-up. Initially this incident took on the status of the AJ - Williams incident and ran wild with speculation and first hand reports, however probably not as bad as it was reported and was without any impropriety. Common Denominator = Alcohol.

Just thankful it did not happen during any part of the season. No doubt something happened and this incident was at full sprint before it was out, but really never caught fire in other media outlets other than Knoxville?
 
I agree, at this point either they have the evidence to charge him or they don't. If they don't they should clear him of the allegation and let him move on with is his life.

I agree, but that's not how this works. Remember? He was accused, so he definitely raped a girl--all that's left to do is figure out the most effective way to screw his life up (and, along the way, win everybody else involved popularity points for being "anti-rape"--you know, as opposed to us regular folk who think rape is awesome!).
 
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if you have 85 cows and one of them breaks through the fence and gets eaten by the wolves, wouldn't your time be better spent mending the fence and protecting the remaining 84 cows?

Not when the one that got out is a prize winning bull yearlin.
 
if you have 85 cows and one of them breaks through the fence and gets eaten by the wolves, wouldn't your time be better spent mending the fence and protecting the remaining 84 cows?

i'd realize the wolf is onto something and go eat a sheep.
ain't nuttin like mutton....
 
I agree, but that's not how this works. Remember? He was accused, so he definitely raped a girl--all that's left to do is figure out the most effective way to screw his life up (and, along the way, win everybody else involved popularity points for being "anti-rape"--you know, as opposed to us regular folk who think rape is awesome!).


I don't agree with that, I don't believe anyone is intentionally trying to ruin him, but they are trying to get to the bottom of the allegations and the incident that he was involved in. Remember, he put himself in this situation, no one else can be blamed here except for him. If he's innocent of the allegations, I hope he is back soon playing for the Vols, if he's not then they need to charge him and let him have his day in court.
 
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if you have 85 cows and one of them breaks through the fence and gets eaten by the wolves, wouldn't your time be better spent mending the fence and protecting the remaining 84 cows?

I'm confused. I thought we had 85 wolves and needed the fence protect all the sheep on the outside.
 
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I don't agree with that, I don't believe anyone is intentionally trying to ruin him, but they are trying to get to the bottom of the allegations and the incident that he was involved in. Remember, he put himself in this situation, no one else can be blamed here except for him. If he's innocent of the allegations, I hope he is back soon playing for the Vols, if he's not then they need to charge him and let him have his day in court.

Still interested in the details of the situation he "put himself into". Since they're not known...just hinted at. If somebody alleges that you raped them at Walmart, do you "put yourself into that situation" every time you shop for groceries? :hmm:
 
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For clarification, was this incident considered sexual assault or rape?

I keep seeing rape being thrown around about VP.. I thought it was basically indecent exposure or something like that, but not actual rape.
 
Still interested in the details of the situation he "put himself into". Since they're not known...just hinted at. If somebody alleges that you raped them at Walmart, do you "put yourself into that situation" every time you shop for groceries? :hmm:


Yes, but I've gone to Wal-Mart hundreds of times in my life, and I have never had that happen. It's apparent there was much more to the situation than just going to Wal-Mart to shop for groceries or any other casual encounter.
 
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They formally interviewed six witnesses, plus the accuser. No rape kit. No physical injuries. Case appears to be a non-starter.

More than likely, everybody wants this to go away as quietly as possible. I'm guessing the plan is for Von to attend classes, continue his workouts and rejoin the team with as little fanfare as possible. Smart strategy, IMO.
 
Yes, but I've gone to Wal-Mart hundreds of times in my life, and I have never had that happen. It's apparent there was much more to the situation than just going to Wal-Mart to shop for groceries or any other casual encounter.

If it's indecent exposure at Walmart, there are many folks who would qualify for that every damn day.
 
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Yes, but I've gone to Wal-Mart hundreds of times in my life, and I have never had that happen. It's apparent there was much more to the situation than just going to Wal-Mart to shop for groceries or any other casual encounter.

Pretty sure it wasn't the first...or hundredth...or thousandth social gathering held at that apartment either. My point is that this concept of "putting oneself into a situation" is way overused. If he's innocent, attending a college party doesn't negate that.
 
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Yes, but I've gone to Wal-Mart hundreds of times in my life, and I have never had that happen. It's apparent there was much more to the situation than just going to Wal-Mart to shop for groceries or any other casual encounter.

Actually, after 5-6 weeks of guessing, speculation, and NO CHARGES, it's not apparent that there was much of anything to the situation at all.
 
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I suspect this is just the new interpretation of Title IX playing itself out.

Title IX prohibits sex discrimination in education. Its known for being applied in sports programs, but in 2009 or 2010 the Department of Education applied it to allegations of sexual assault. The line of thinking is that a failure of schools to investigate and bring appropriate disciplinary proceedings (not criminal charges) when there's an allegation of assault is discrimination against the alleged victim. Every school receiving federal funding must comply with that process, and have a Title IX coordinator (imo a CYA administrator). Schools are now being put in the position of picking their plaintiff. If an accuser's complaint isn't properly investigated, the school could be subject to suit. The accused could sue as well, but which plaintiff do you want? An alleged victim or an alleged sexual predator?

The fact that criminal charges have not been brought speaks for itself, but the standards of proof in a Title IX charge through the school are not the beyond a reasonable doubt burden in criminal cases. It looks like this is going to go away, but the school is going to cross every t and dot every i to comply with Title IX, so that they don't risk a suit and or potential federal funding. In my opinion, this interpretation of Title IX is BS, but schools have too much on the line to not comply fully.

Hope it wraps up soon.
 
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I suspect this is just the new interpretation of Title IX playing itself out.

Title IX prohibits sex discrimination in education. Its known for being applied in sports programs, but in 2009 or 2010 the Department of Education applied it to allegations of sexual assault. The line of thinking is that a failure of schools to investigate and bring appropriate disciplinary proceedings (not criminal charges) when there's an allegation of assault is discrimination against the alleged victim. Every school receiving federal funding must comply with that process, and have a Title IX coordinator (imo a CYA administrator). Schools are now being put in the position of picking their plaintiff. If an accuser's complaint isn't properly investigated, the school could be subject to suit. The accused could sue as well, but which plaintiff do you want? An alleged victim or an alleged sexual predator?

The fact that criminal charges have not been brought speaks for itself, but the standards of proof in a Title IX charge through the school are not the beyond a reasonable doubt burden in criminal cases. It looks like this is going to go away, but the school is going to cross every t and dot every i to comply with Title IX, so that they don't risk a suit and or potential federal funding. In my opinion, this interpretation of Title IX is BS, but schools have too much on the line to not comply fully.

Hope it wraps up soon.

We live in some muddy waters, indeed. After spending the past couple days watching old James Bond movies, it's odd to realize how much our definition of rape has changed. Old J. B. was a serial rapist for sure.
 
Pretty sure it wasn't the first...or hundredth...or thousandth social gathering held at that apartment either. My point is that this concept of "putting oneself into a situation" is way overused. If he's innocent, attending a college party doesn't negate that.


Regardless of what you think, no one is coming after these players, it's the situations that they put themsels that is the cause for concern. I don't want to start preaching here but I am sure you get my point.
 
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All we "know" about what happened is hearsay ... from the alleged victim through a frat member who was out partying and came across her after the fact. That's all we know, is what he said she said. Literally.

And what he said she said is that Von walked into a restroom that the young woman was already in, and exposed himself to her. Unless I misremember what the frat guy said on these boards, that was it. No allegation of rape or molestation or assault.

But again, and this is really important, that's all just third-hand hearsay.

We just need to wait and see. Butch is going to continue to monitor the university investigation and, to the extent that they'll tell him anything, the police investigation. He may decide to change Von's status even before one or both of those inquiries is completed, if he has a good feel for the direction they're going.

Just gotta wait and see how it turns out.
 
All we "know" about what happened is hearsay ... from the alleged victim through a frat member who was out partying and came across her after the fact. That's all we know, is what he said she said. Literally.

And what he said she said is that Von walked into a restroom that the young woman was already in, and exposed himself to her. Unless I misremember what the frat guy said on these boards, that was it. No allegation of rape or molestation or assault.

But again, and this is really important, that's all just third-hand hearsay.

We just need to wait and see. Butch is going to continue to monitor the university investigation and, to the extent that they'll tell him anything, the police investigation. He may decide to change Von's status even before one or both of those inquiries is completed, if he has a good feel for the direction they're going.

Just gotta wait and see how it turns out.

Well if Pearson would just quit going into bathrooms...:unsure:
 
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