Von Pearson Update

[crusse10]

No more than those who are considering the inverse.

I'm pro-shutting the **** up about it and letting the legal system do its job. But when people are going to search for ways to degrade a person who may have been raped, I'm going to stop and take the side of, "hey don't say that she may have been raped"

 

[butchna]

Everyone is so quick to sympathize with what he's going through. So few are even remotely willing to consider what she's going through. Y'all are probably too busy saying (or alluding to the likelihood) that she's probably lying to consider it.

She's a possible rape victim...no one's looking for high fives. You seem to have shut the door on him being a possible victim of a false accusation tho.

 

[drylo]

I can't tell if you're trying to say that 90% of rapes aren't rapes or that 90% of rape allegations are just lies or if 90% of rape allegations can't be prosecuted

but most importantly, I think you're throwing out a completely bullsht statistic from a garbage study (if you didn't just make it up on the spot) with the hopes of me just letting it go

I got that from the "rape culture" propagandists themselves: https://rainn.org/get-information/statistics/reporting-rates. Hoist by their own petard, one might say.

Out of 100 supposed "rapes," it's interesting that only 3 allegations are even credible enough to turn over to prosecutors, is it not? For those keeping track at home, that's 3 out of 32 (or, less than 1 in 10) rape accusations that are investigated by police that are found to be credible enough to even pursue.

 

[KBVol]

I'm pro-shutting the **** up about it and letting the legal system do its job. But when people are going to search for ways to degrade a person who may have been raped, I'm going to stop and take the side of, "hey don't say that she may have been raped"

Again, who has degraded the girl? Who has said anything derogatory or harmful about her? And, without a trial that exposes and puts forth the evidence that proves she was actually raped, why is it improper for anyone to say "she may have been raped"?

 

[butchna]

I'm pro-shutting the **** up about it and letting the legal system do its job. But when people are going to search for ways to degrade a person who may have been raped, I'm going to stop and take the side of, "hey don't say that she may have been raped"

So don't say that "she may have been raped"? :huh: no way possible that she wasn't?

 

[flatiron]

What was confusing?

If I was to guess, probably the made up stats you were referencing in your earlier post.

 

[jlawso21]

The problem with the majority of posts regarding AJ and Von that fight for the innocent-until-proven-guilty stance is that they start with "if he did it, lock him up;" but end with a diatribe about how more and more girls are lying to try and ruin a players career and how they should sue if the girl lied and how there are different levels of rape. It's just garbage thrown into a post with the "oh but if he's guilty he's guilty." All those posts do is offer a platform for people who want to accuse the girl of lying to do so, with the BS veil of looking at both sides.

If he did it, throw away the key.
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Obviously gibberish, and you use way too many "j"s

 

[crusse10]

She's a possible rape victim...no one's looking for high fives. You seem to have shut the door on him being a possible victim of a false accusation tho.

With the amount of times it's mentioned, there's just no need for me to even discuss that possibility. My problem (and the reason I comment so much about this stuff) is that the percentage with which people take the side of assuming he's being falsely accused is nowhere near the percentage of actual false reports of rape.

For whatever it's worth, I try very hard to use the word accuser/accused instead of victim. I try to give the accused every possible leeway. But I'm not going to defame another person because I like how the other plays a game.

 

[VFL-82-JP]

I got that from the "rape culture" propagandists themselves: https://rainn.org/get-information/statistics/reporting-rates. Hoist by their own petard, one might say.

Out of 100 supposed "rapes," it's interesting that only 3 allegations are even credible enough to turn over to prosecutors, is it not? For those keeping track at home, that's 3 out of 32 (or, less than 1 in 10) rape accusations that are investigated by police that are found to be credible enough to even pursue.

You seem not to realize that those statistics (which may or may not be valid) do not say what you said here:

In over 90% of reported rapes, police investigate and determine that the allegation is not credible.

Do you see the difference between those statistics and your conclusion?

 

[crusse10]

So don't say that "she may have been raped"? :huh: no way possible that she wasn't?

wait...what?

in what way does my comment that implies possibility one way or another also eliminate that possibility?

 

[LA Vol]

In a "he said-she said" scenario, most rape cases have difficulty meeting the burden of proof. Without hard evidence, how can you condemn one side over the other, especially when the accuser hides behind a veil of privacy? Recent events have shown that accusers do lie, for all sorts of reasons, and there are few ramifications for doing so. There are, however, enormous ramifications of being falsely accused and the damage cannot always be mitigated. There are no winners.

 

[drylo]

For whatever it's worth, I try very hard to use the word accuser/accused instead of victim. I try to give the accused every possible leeway. But I'm not going to defame another person because I like how the other plays a game.

For what it's worth, it has nothing to do with how Von Pearson plays a game for me. It has everything to do with the fact that rape accusations ruin lives--even non-football players' lives.

 

[drylo]

You seem not to realize that those statistics (which may or may not be valid) do not say what you said here:

Do you see the difference between those statistics and your conclusion?

My conclusion is not precisely what the statistics say, but it is a reasonably close approximation, at worst. It is true that a few may not be prosecuted because the alleged perp can't be ID'd or something, but that should be a pretty small number.

 

[crusse10]

Again, who has degraded the girl? Who has said anything derogatory or harmful about her? And, without a trial that exposes and puts forth the evidence that proves she was actually raped, why is it improper for anyone to say "she may have been raped"?

I stayed away from all Von pages until today, mainly because he was my favorite player last year and I had met him one of his first days on campus and it really saddens me that this situation is happening. But it happened in early onset of the AJ pages. The girl who went back to Florida was called a liar because she chose to not press charges. The girl who goes to UT had her personal life and decisions dissected, too.

 

[crusse10]

My conclusion is not precisely what the statistics say, but it is a reasonably close approximation, at worst. It is true that a few may not be prosecuted because the alleged perp can't be ID'd or something, but that should be a pretty small number.

or it's shock value bullsht

 

[drylo]

or it's shock value bullsht

Go on.

Do explain.

 

[crusse10]

For what it's worth, it has nothing to do with how Von Pearson plays a game for me. It has everything to do with the fact that rape accusations ruin lives--even non-football players' lives.

Your assessment is that rape accusations are false FAR MORE than they're true. My assessment is the exact opposite. So yes, false accusations of rape do ruin lives. But rape ruins far more lives. So we'll never come close to seeing eye to eye on this. All I'm asking is that you save your condemnation of the accusers until it's made known that what they've said is false. I'm not going around saying that AJ and Von should be thrown in jail and that they should rot in hell. I'm just trying to let the legal system run its course, produce justice, and keep the Tennessee program as clean as possible.

 

[24/7vol]

My question is how long should the investigation take to determine if there's enough evidence to convict. How long does it take to question the individuals, potential witnesses, dna and anything else that they need to make a decision. I have not worked in law enforcement and may be showing my ignorance but it seems like due process sure does take a long time and takes a toll on both the accused and the accuser.

 

[Aesius]

FWIW, the most recent update on Von's situation on VQ suggests that he is refocusing on academics and has had an increased presence on campus in recent days.

 

[drylo]

Your assessment is that rape accusations are false FAR MORE than they're true. My assessment is the exact opposite. So yes, false accusations of rape do ruin lives. But rape ruins far more lives. So we'll never come close to seeing eye to eye on this. All I'm asking is that you save your condemnation of the accusers until it's made known that what they've said is false. I'm not going around saying that AJ and Von should be thrown in jail and that they should rot in hell. I'm just trying to let the legal system run its course, produce justice, and keep the Tennessee program as clean as possible.

I haven't condemned the accuser in this case at all. I don't know what happened, but just playing the probabilities tells me that it is very likely that there is no credible evidence that Von raped anybody. On that basis, I would be much more careful in my condemnation of Von than you apparently want people to be.

By the way, I'm not saying that false accusers are always lying--sometimes I think they may just be confused, either about the facts (i.e., what happened) or the law (i.e., what rape is).

 

[butchna]

wait...what?

in what way does my comment that implies possibility one way or another also eliminate that possibility?

You said that you refuse to say "May have been raped" taking "May have been" out leaves "raped"? :dunno:

 

[crusse10]

I haven't condemned the accuser in this case at all. I don't know what happened, but just playing the probabilities tells me that it is very likely that there is no credible evidence that Von raped anybody. On that basis, I would be much more careful in my condemnation of Von than you apparently want people to be.

By the way, I'm not saying that false accusers are always lying--sometimes I think they may just be confused, either about the facts (i.e., what happened) or the law (i.e., what rape is).

Point







Your head

We. Will. Never. Agree. Because. You. Think. An. Overwhelming. Majority. Of. Rape. Claims. Weren't. Rape.

We're both playing the odds, but yours are so wrong I'm wondering if it's satire

 

[whobethis16]

This board is full of rape apologists. Sounds a lot like FSU and the Winston situation.

 

[crusse10]

You said that you refuse to say "May have been raped" taking "May have been" out leaves "raped"? :dunno:

saying that something MAY have happened implies that it also may not have happened

 

[butchna]

Point


Your head

We. Will. Never. Agree. Because. You. Think. An. Overwhelming. Majority. Of. Rape. Claims. Weren't. Rape.

We're both playing the odds, but yours are so wrong I'm wondering if it's satire

I Don't Understand Why You're So Upset. :ermm: