Von Pearson Update

[NashVOL93]

The preponderance of evidence standard is extremely unconstitutional, in my opinion.

Also, a theory - he can't go to Thornton because the girl works as a tutor there.

 

[Hoghater]

I'm actually wondering if it means he's banned from using the academic support center for athletes and that he's struggling to complete his work/prepare for tests without it.

And the test banks with the answers available at the academic support system.

 

[LWSVOL]

I'm actually wondering if it means he's banned from using the academic support center for athletes and that he's struggling to complete his work/prepare for tests without it.

what I understood is he has not been banned from school or classes. he and his family decided to stay away from class. That was my understanding..

 

[RikidyBones]

Maybe Von should accuse her of rape and get her banned from campus.

Let the debate.

Fyp

 

[Orange to the Bay]

Is this from the article?

:huh:
Can't be a real question. There's typos and bad grammar in that sentence. Clearly just a quick sarcastic post.

 

[KnoxRealtorVOL]

:huh:
Can't be a real question. There's typos and bad grammar in that sentence. Clearly just a quick sarcastic post.

I didn't mean was this quoted from the article. I should have said "was this information per the article?"

 

[DaddyChad]

So you think it's okay for someone accused of rape to be in close proximity to the person that accused them? It's bad for all involved.

Let me say IDK if Von is innocent or not but if you punish someone just because they're accused of something that's a pretty sad standard. What if your son was accused of something that he didn't do and had his life ruined? There's two parties here and either could be the victim right now. Again I have no idea whether he's guilty or not but it's not right to punish someone if the evidence doesn't even warrant charging them.

 

[508mikey]

Where is Bob Mueller when we need him ?

 

[BigOrange15]

Umm... what?

Nobody is innocent or guilty EVER "in other contexts"--that is a criminal law concept. But more importantly, I'm not sure what your point is--that "in other contexts," everyone should automatically assume Von is a rapist and kick him off campus and out of school?

He was suspended from the team before he was found guilty of anything. Technically, you are correct but he has been punished with an indefinite suspension and is more or less guilty until proven innocent in relation to his standing with the football team.

 

[titansvolsfaninga]

What I read on 247 mentioned he was having an academic issue before all this....but I still didn't quite understand all the issues in play here i.e. no team activity etc...

There were never academic issues. That was a question that someone ran with as a factual statement.

 

[chattavol420]

I'm sorry but I just don't believe that reasonably intelligent kids like aj and vp, that have no real history of unlawful behavior (I know aj was cited in a physician altercation a couple of years ago involving the defense of a girl ironically), just decode to go out and forcibly rape a young girl. These are all situations where a girl gets intoxicated and voluntarily goes home with them. Then, end up accusing them of rape.
I understand that regardless of the situation the victim still has the right to refuse, but there should be some variance of the law here. As it relates to somebody that is killed there is. There is first, second, and third degree murder. And then manslaughter. Yet a rape is a rape. A player like vp or aj I'd considered the same as a man that puts in a ski mask breaks into a home and forcibly rape someone. And that's not even close to what has happened here. These ''victims'' in many cases go out with and display public affection with the perpetrators before choosing to leave with them. Some probably initiate the activity whem they get home, before sobering up and realizing they maybe weren't totally coherent when the event took place.
To me, these incidents should all be separated.
There are just going to continue to be more and more of these situations until the law catches up to the era.

 

[overseasorange2]

I'm sorry but I just don't believe that reasonably intelligent kids like aj and vp, that have no real history of unlawful behavior (I know aj was cited in a physician altercation a couple of years ago involving the defense of a girl ironically), just decode to go out and forcibly rape a young girl. These are all situations where a girl gets intoxicated and voluntarily goes home with them. Then, end up accusing them of rape.
I understand that regardless of the situation the victim still has the right to refuse, but there should be some variance of the law here. As it relates to somebody that is killed there is. There is first, second, and third degree murder. And then manslaughter. Yet a rape is a rape. A player like vp or aj I'd considered the same as a man that puts in a ski mask breaks into a home and forcibly rape someone. And that's not even close to what has happened here. These ''victims'' in many cases go out with and display public affection with the perpetrators before choosing to leave with them. Some probably initiate the activity whem they get home, before sobering up and realizing they maybe weren't totally coherent when the event took place.
To me, these incidents should all be separated.
There are just going to continue to be more and more of these situations until the law catches up to the era.

Oh damn, there goes that logic again lol:

 

[vols72]

Where is Bob Mueller when we need him ?

He's checking his stats

 

[AboveAllNations]

Please elaborate. Are you saying she's gonna bring a civil lawsuit? A bit (honestly) confused.

Even if the police decline to bring criminal charges against Pearson (which require proof "beyond a reasonable doubt"), Pearson could still be (1) investigated and disciplined by the University; or (2) sued by the accuser/victim. In both of those "other contexts," Pearson could be punished if a "preponderance of the evidence" shows it is more likely than not (i.e., 51% or more) that he committed sexual assault.

Does this clear it up?

 

[OGbabyaviVol]

what I understood is he has not been banned from school or classes. he and his family decided to stay away from class. That was my understanding..

Well, that's stupid. If he knows he's innocent, then why put your academic standing in jeopardy? By doing that, it makes me think he's guilty.

 

[crusse10]

another attempt at presumed innocence for the accused leading to character defamation of the accuser

just another lovely day on VolNation

 

[Wolfeman_Vol]

Well, that's stupid. If he knows he's innocent, then why put your academic standing in jeopardy? By doing that, it makes me think he's guilty.

Maybe they have a few classes together. Who knows, but I'm sure there's a better reason than just ditching school because he can't be around the team rright now.

 

[KBVol]

another attempt at presumed innocence for the accused leading to character defamation of the accuser

just another lovely day on VolNation

I haven't read anybody in here defaming the accuser. Just stating the obvious, that Pearson is given the presumption of innocence until proven guilty, to those suggesting he be kicked off campus for fear of potentially being in close proximity to the accuser....which is a ridiculous notion in my view, especially given the fact that Von has yet to even be charged with a crime.

 

[crusse10]

Let me say IDK if Von is innocent or not but if you punish someone just because they're accused of something that's a pretty sad standard. What if your son was accused of something that he didn't do and had his life ruined? There's two parties here and either could be the victim right now. Again I have no idea whether he's guilty or not but it's not right to punish someone if the evidence doesn't even warrant charging them.

I'd rather Butch be able to go into homes saying, "We take a zero tolerance policy to any rape or domestic violence issue. The moment an accusation is made, the player is removed from activity until the matter is settled. If he is deemed innocent, he will be reinstated with haste. In the last few years, the empowerment of victims of rape and domestic violence has grown so much that victims are finally starting to come forward willingly and looking for justice and safety. We at the University of Tennessee refuse stand idly by. Safety of students and student athletes is of the utmost concern."

 

[crusse10]

I haven't read anybody in here defaming the accuser. Just stating the obvious, that Pearson is given the presumption of innocence until proven guilty, to those suggesting he be kicked off campus for fear of potentially being in close proximity to the accuser....which is a ridiculous notion in my view, especially given the fact that Von has yet to even be charged with a crime.

The problem with the majority of posts regarding AJ and Von that fight for the innocent-until-proven-guilty stance is that they start with "if he did it, lock him up;" but end with a diatribe about how more and more girls are lying to try and ruin a players career and how they should sue if the girl lied and how there are different levels of rape. It's just garbage thrown into a post with the "oh but if he's guilty he's guilty." All those posts do is offer a platform for people who want to accuse the girl of lying to do so, with the BS veil of looking at both sides.

If he did it, throw away the key.
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[KBVol]

I'd rather Butch be able to go into homes saying, "We take a zero tolerance policy to any rape or domestic violence issue. The moment an accusation is made, the player is removed from activity until the matter is settled. If he is deemed innocent, he will be reinstated with haste. In the last few years, the empowerment of victims of rape and domestic violence has grown so much that victims are finally starting to come forward willingly and looking for justice and safety. We at the University of Tennessee refuse stand idly by. Safety of students and student athletes is of the utmost concern."

And Butch is doing just that. And I'm good with it. However, there have also been some very high profile cases of false accusations, so an appropriate balance has to struck to make sure the rights of both parties are recognized and protected. That's really all anybody is saying....there are two young lives at stake here, and justice should be served to both.

 

[crusse10]

And Butch is doing just that. And I'm good with it. However, there have also been some very high profile cases of false accusations, so an appropriate balance has to struck to make sure the rights of both parties are recognized and protected. That's really all anybody is saying....there are two young lives at stake here, and justice should be served to both.

There's no way to balance it. The second that a player is accused of rape and he keeps on playing is the second that our program loses all credibility.

 

[butchna]

I'd rather Butch be able to go into homes saying, "We take a zero tolerance policy to any rape or domestic violence issue. The moment an accusation is made, the player is removed from activity until the matter is settled. If he is deemed innocent, he will be reinstated with haste. In the last few years, the empowerment of victims of rape and domestic violence has grown so much that victims are finally starting to come forward willingly and looking for justice and safety. We at the University of Tennessee refuse stand idly by. Safety of students and student athletes is of the utmost concern."

"You see if your boy gets accused of sexual assault, we'll preemptively lop off his head...if he turns out to be innocent? We'll TRY to sew it back on." :thumbsup:

 

[LA Vol]

I'd rather Butch be able to go into homes saying, "We take a zero tolerance policy to any rape or domestic violence issue. The moment an accusation is made, the player is removed from activity until the matter is settled. If he is deemed innocent, he will be reinstated with haste. In the last few years, the empowerment of victims of rape and domestic violence has grown so much that victims are finally starting to come forward willingly and looking for justice and safety. We at the University of Tennessee refuse stand idly by. Safety of students and student athletes is of the utmost concern."

What if the scenario plays out the other way? The guy is removed from the team, loses his scholarship and the support of the UTAD-- the only thing making an education possible-- and suffers aspersions against his character by the media and message boards who presume guilt while the law presumes innocence. He can't go to school, can't pay bills, can't hang out with his friends because they're on the team and he's now labeled a rapist-- though he hasn't been charged or arrested and there's no hard evidence against him. Many months later when an inexorably slow investigation finds that the alleged victim misrepresented the situation, what would the response be then? "Oops?"

 

[crusse10]

"You see if your boy gets accused of sexual assault, we'll preemptively lop off his head...if he turns out to be innocent? We'll TRY to sew it back on." :thumbsup:

AJ missed a handful of games and still graduated and interacted with the teammates and participated in graduation ceremonies as a Vol. Whether he sat out of football games or not, he wasn't getting drafted because of the case. I fail to see how the program lopped off his head.