Update on new strength coach

#77
#77
Somebody might increase their bench 50lbs in 7 weeks (doubtful unless you're just starting out) but I promise it won't improve 50lbs over the next 7 weeks.
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#79
#79
you said:
good point, the most i ever benched was 300 pounds. not too bad i guess since i only weigh 175.

Anyhow, if an average joe like me can increase 50 pounds in 7 weeks, then why is a bonfide NCAA progam with millions of dollars poured into the S&C only seeing gains of 25 pounds?
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I've been around plenty of lifting, and I can tell you two things.... One, if you go up fifty pounds in 7 weeks then you didn't know what the hell you were doing before you started the miracle program. Two, these are well-trained athletes and advanced lifters who have been busting theirs in the weightroom for years now. They cannot, and should not, make huge gains in a short period of time, or all their fine-tuned motor skills will fall to the level of , oh, say a 300 lb benching poster who weighs in at 175. .
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#81
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Jaytrain5 said:
Wylie wore sweatshirts in the freaking summer. Sweatshirts.

Doubt we'll ever find another strength coach as qualified as him.
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Nothing against Wylie, but back in the day...when I could run with the herd...I / we did tactical training with a couple of (you know the type) former SWAT / Special Forces / SEAL / Krav Maga types who showed up for the mandatory 5 mile, full-gear run wearing an extra 40 pounds. They were tough, no doubt.

But...the machine (human body) functions best, and performs best, and builds best, when the "engine" is at peak performance, which is cool, well-ventilated, and well-hydrated. When you start out overheated, or over-burdened, all you are doing is making the body work harder to find it's comfort zone. This, in the end, tends to take away from the benefits of strength, or endurance training.

Training, whether athletic or otherwise, which starts out with the body already stressed, is more geared towards mental toughness than improving physical performance. Been there, done that, and it has it's place, and it's benefits.

But for pure S&C, with an athletic focus...I'll take the guy who shows up in shorts and a t-shirt. He knows what he's there for, and what the goal is.

Go Vols.
 
#82
#82
Grayvol said:
I've been around plenty of lifting, and I can tell you two things.... One, if you go up fifty pounds in 7 weeks then you didn't know what the hell you were doing before you started the miracle program. Two, these are well-trained athletes and advanced lifters who have been busting theirs in the weightroom for years now. They cannot, and should not, make huge gains in a short period of time, or all their fine-tuned motor skills will fall to the level of , oh, say a 300 lb benching poster who weighs in at 175. .
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The fact that 25lbs by every player is prolly a little stretched out for media purposes. Weighing 175lbs and benching 300lbs is impressive imho. I see guys all the time that can rep out 225 for 3 sets of 10 and max out 1 rep of 315lb. ONE TIME! There is a difference in max lifting and actually repetitions. Everyone that works out aims for 10 reps per set. So I would doubt that a guy that weighs in at 175 could actually rep out 300lbs 3 x10. But I don't know if that is what you meant tho.
 
#83
#83
CharlestonSCVol said:
The fact that 25lbs by every player is prolly a little stretched out for media purposes. Weighing 175lbs and benching 300lbs is impressive imho. I see guys all the time that can rep out 225 for 3 sets of 10 and max out 1 rep of 315lb. ONE TIME! There is a difference in max lifting and actually repetitions. Everyone that works out aims for 10 reps per set. So I would doubt that a guy that weighs in at 175 could actually rep out 300lbs 3 x10. But I don't know if that is what you meant tho.
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Nobody that works out aims for 10 reps every set. Most work outs involve some sort of pyramid. You might start out doing a set of whatever weight for 10 reps then add weight & do the next set at 8 reps. Every work out is a little different but rarely do you see anybody worthy of mentioning doing 4 sets of 10 with one weight.
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#85
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
That makes me wonder, what in the he11 was Wylie doing then? If these results McKeef is getting are true, it sounds like Bennie wasn't all he was cracked up to be.
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:no: I am no fan of Wylie but the stats the OP put forward cannot be used to ascertain either the efficacy of new or old S/C coaches.
 
#86
#86
hohenfelsvol said:
My question is, is this a normal occurrence in the spring? I mean the guys are coming back from a break and I would expect the strength to improve. Just as it will in the fall after a long summer.
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The point you are making is at what baseline is this awe-inspiring :eek:hmy: self-serving information being judged. WTF knows?
 
#87
#87
Glad to hear about Bray getting with the program. However, I am sure that he probably had some incentive when Justin Worley showed up on campus and hit the weight room immediately. That's the part that most folks are missing. With more quality athletes competing against each other, for the first time in a few years, they've got to get bigger, stronger, and faster or they sit the bench.
 
#88
#88
volum3 said:
The true measure of a strength coach is injury avoidance imo, if this guy can get 'em all big and stuff great, but are they durable? What is the cardiovascular regime like? is he emphasizing flexibility, which is one of the most critical components of injury avoidance? Are they doing strength and co-ordination?
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There is zero way to accurately score "'injury avoidance". None, nada, ain't happening.
 
#90
#90
Didn't want to start new thread but we're talking about assistants. In Wasabi's at Rurkey Creek and CCB just sat down two tables over. Would love a pic but don't want to be that guy and seems to be content with family/friends.
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#91
#91
Didn't want to start new thread but we're talking about assistants. In Wasabi's at Rurkey Creek and CCB just sat down two tables over. Would love a pic but don't want to be that guy and seems to be content with family/friends.
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#92
#92
RodDRfromTNinKY said:
Didn't want to start new thread but we're talking about assistants. In Wasabi's at Rurkey Creek and CCB just sat down two tables over. Would love a pic but don't want to be that guy and seems to be content with family/friends.
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thanks for the update. let me know what he orders and if he likes it
 
#93
#93
He ordered
The get the heck over yourself cause i haven't lived in Knoxville for 7 years and that it was cool to see one of our new coaches pie. Next time I'll start a new thread to make you even happier
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#95
#95
we’ve doubled our speed in the areas that we wanted to improve "QUOTE Ron McKeefery.
Now does this mean the Poole will not look like a turtle trying to out run a rabbit. If anybody seen him break loose last you you will understand. Don't get me wrong he a good back but some of his long runs could have been longer if he was just a bit faster. The run against Bama last year doesn't end the way it did he has to run 5 more yards.
 
#98
#98
GreyWolf1129 said:
Nothing against Wylie, but back in the day...when I could run with the herd...I / we did tactical training with a couple of (you know the type) former SWAT / Special Forces / SEAL / Krav Maga types who showed up for the mandatory 5 mile, full-gear run wearing an extra 40 pounds. They were tough, no doubt.

But...the machine (human body) functions best, and performs best, and builds best, when the "engine" is at peak performance, which is cool, well-ventilated, and well-hydrated. When you start out overheated, or over-burdened, all you are doing is making the body work harder to find it's comfort zone. This, in the end, tends to take away from the benefits of strength, or endurance training.

Training, whether athletic or otherwise, which starts out with the body already stressed, is more geared towards mental toughness than improving physical performance. Been there, done that, and it has it's place, and it's benefits.

But for pure S&C, with an athletic focus...I'll take the guy who shows up in shorts and a t-shirt. He knows what he's there for, and what the goal is.

Go Vols.
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Spot on post. Not afraid of a little mental toughness being instilled in the boys, but peak performance happens when everything is in the right balance to begin with. I recall a group of elite runners who passed me as I was hiking up Mt. Fuji. They were in shorts and t-shirts and weren't carrying all the stuff I had (lunch, water, rain jacket etc). I was in pretty decent shape at the time but could not have caught them if I wanted to.
 
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