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Checkmate, Putin!

I wonder if the van is included in the shipment of boxes?

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Velo Vol said:
I'm sure Russian agents are attempting nefarious activities in America, but the racial unrest doesn't seem like fertile ground for that kind of thing.
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Watch The Americans.

While it's fictious it does use historical events as a basis. The KGB was actively involved in the Black Panthers, Malcolm X and they tried to turn MLK but he was actually pretty square in believing in the Constitution and wouldn't go radical.

While I don't know if the Russians are involved in trying to sow seeds of dissent in the US... it wouldn't surprise me. But honestly, why would they waste their time when our own damned media is doing a great job pushing a highly slanted and biased "racial tension" story?

Breitbart, MotherJones, Slate, etc. They're all awful.
 
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agent|orange said:
Watch The Americans.

While it's fictious it does use historical events as a basis. The KGB was actively involved in the Black Panthers, Malcolm X and they tried to turn MLK but he was actually pretty square in believing in the Constitution and wouldn't go radical.

While I don't know if the Russians are involved in trying to sow seeds of dissent in the US... it wouldn't surprise me. But honestly, why would they waste their time when our own damned media is doing a great job pushing a highly slanted and biased "racial tension" story?

Breitbart, MotherJones, Slate, etc. They're all awful.
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provocateurs work as the catalyst for these actions. they work with whatever unrest is available. in a single city they might be the one driving the point, but across the whole nation they aren't going to be the ones pushing it, they are just feeding on it and waiting their time. (if they exist) if i am Russia I have whatever agents I have here ready. and yes i believe the US does the same.
 
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agent|orange said:
While I don't know if the Russians are involved in trying to sow seeds of dissent in the US.
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I think Russian focus is on intelligence gathering, cyber warfare, trying to rig the financial markets.

As Louder points out, the racial stuff has been too geographically disparate to lend itself to outside orchestration.
 
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Velo Vol said:
I think Russian focus is on intelligence gathering, cyber warfare, trying to rig the financial markets.

As Louder points out, the racial stuff has been too geographically disparate to lend itself to outside orchestration.
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Geographical distances don't matter when it's the same faces showing up to every protest that ends up being a violent riot.

It really doesn't take much to stir up some communities.
 
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LouderVol said:
al and jesse work for the Russians?
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Al and Jesse work for themselves while convincing the black community they're working for them.

Point being, Russians are known to have a very active presence on internet forums, etc. Social media and modern forms of communication make it very easy to have a small foot but a large footprint, so to speak.

They likely wouldn't even be at the riots themselves if they are involved.
 
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agent|orange said:
Al and Jesse work for themselves while convincing the black community they're working for them.

Point being, Russians are known to have a very active presence on internet forums, etc. Social media and modern forms of communication make it very easy to have a small foot but a large footprint, so to speak.

They likely wouldn't even be at the riots themselves if they are involved.
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good thing we have none of that here on this website. :shiftyeyes::detective:
 
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From whence the definition?

But are the analysts right? The evidence is compelling.

Fascist regimes have charismatic dictators with hyper-masculine personality cults. These regimes generally evince a hyper-nationalist ethos, a cult of violence, mass mobilization of youth, high levels of repression, powerful propaganda machines and imperialist projects. Fascist regimes are hugely popular—usually because the charismatic leader appeals to broad sectors of the population.

Putin and his Russia fit the bill perfectly.
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Is it mobilizing youth?
 
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Velo Vol said:
Little danger of America becoming fascist, then, unless we rally the youth around video games.
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You'd be surprised what our youth are capable of. We just don't really have any threats (or even perceived ones) of any serious concern here (we're the most insulated and naturally protected great power in history and probably for all-time), so we can naturally afford to goof off.

If we're faced with an actual existential threat, however, I have no doubt in our people or the youth, for that matter.

Shifting gear a little, the more I study about this situation the more it seems like Putin and Russia had a lot more to gain from this crisis in Ukraine than the West. Maybe Putin created the coup and Maidan?
 
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volprof said:
Shifting gear a little, the more I study about this situation the more it seems like Putin and Russia had a lot more to gain from this crisis in Ukraine than the West. Maybe Putin created the coup and Maidan?
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something to dangle in front of the masses?
 
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LouderVol said:
something to dangle in front of the masses?
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He was basically Obama before this started. Now, he's Vladimir Putin: The Greatest Leader on Earth, Nay, in History!

It's completely consolidated his failing power and turned Russia from a country trending west towards another period of classic Russian retrenchment and insularity.

A "coup" in Kiev and a war in Ukraine stood to benefit him far more than anyone else.

So, my point is, if indeed there was a coup (which I don't believe), it's more plausible Putin and the Kremlin were behind it than anyone else, particularly when you consider that the Ukrainian security services (aka, people who would catch wind of an imminent or potential coup) were, and still are somewhat, completely infiltrated by SVR/FSB men.

When you look at it in this light, claims that the US/West created the coup make absolutely no sense whatsoever. Even the logistics were impossible had the US wanted to do such a thing in the first place.

It's not like going into some backwater that no other great power really gives enough of a damn about and creating regime change, like the US has indeed done before. This is a completely different situation.
 
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volprof said:
http://www.newsweek.com/vladimir-putin-fascist-325534

Newsweek article on Putin as a fascist that is currently making the rounds and has Russian trolls in a tizzy. It's so fun watching them squirm like rats.
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some of those comments are gold.

-Crimea ALWAYS a part of Russia
-Putin being openly critized in Russia media
-Putin not having the power Obama does (internal to the nation)
-Putin not being fascist because he has budies in the Oligarchy
-Russia being the most ethnically/religiously diverse country on the planet. (America says high)
-(found this interesting considering Pacer's comments earlier. Russia has no death sentence and lighter jail sentencing (than the US i suppose) a multiparty political system (anybody have any numbers on what percentage those other parties constitute?) and apparently zero tolerance of nationalism (that last one just made me laugh and laugh and laugh)
 
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volprof said:
https://news.vice.com/video/the-pro-kremlin-youth-group-putins-propaganda-machine-part-1

I don't know that there's a country in the world more obsessed with America and its culture than Russia, whether intentionally or unintentionally. I think they talk about us as much as we do ourselves.
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I wonder how much traction propaganda outlet that has with the youth?

Seems Russian TV news talks more about the evils of the West than it does about anything happening in Russia. And why not? We're coming to kill their children, after all--we've got nothing better to do.

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How Russian:

Just days before Tuesday’s launch, Roscosmos announced that the cargo ship held a copy of the Banner of Victory, the red flag with the Soviet hammer and sickle that was raised over the Reichstag in Berlin by victorious Soviet soldiers in 1945. It is a highly revered symbol of the victory over Nazi Germany in World War II.

But on Wednesday, the agency said the banner was already on the space station, arriving with Kelly and Kornienko in March.
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Velo Vol said:
I think Russian focus is on intelligence gathering, cyber warfare, trying to rig the financial markets.
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The US and it's welfare/warfare model over the last 50 years will be the demise of this economy. Blaming Russia for anything they might do is just the powers that be looking for a convenient scapegoat when the SHTF.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
The US and it's welfare/warfare model over the last 50 years will be the demise of this economy. Blaming Russia for anything they might do is just the powers that be looking for a convenient scapegoat when the SHTF.
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I'm pretty sure absolutely no one is blaming Russia for the current or even future economic condition of the US.

You try so hard.

You need to try harder.
 
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