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Superbowls, marriage ceremonies, kids' bday parties. Despite them, it's a war here in Ukraine thread. And it's here every hour, every day, 365 days a year.
 
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Grand Vol said:
CIA cover up in the Super Bowl to allow the PATRIOTS to win.
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Clearly.


Developing, maybe

U.S. Taking a Fresh Look at Arming Ukraine’s Forces, Officials Say

With Russian-backed separatists pressing their attacks in Ukraine, NATO’s military commander, Gen. Philip M. Breedlove, now supports providing defensive weapons and equipment to Kiev’s beleaguered forces, and an array of administration and military officials appear to be edging toward that position, American officials said Sunday.
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volprof said:
Superbowls, marriage ceremonies, kids' bday parties. Despite them, it's a war here in Ukraine thread. And it's here every hour, every day, 365 days a year.
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The battle lines for winning the hearts and minds of the Ukraine thread have been clearly drawn. BTW, I'm recommending commendations for everyone who posted tonight for meritorious service during the Super Bowl. Your commitment to the struggle has distinguished you all from your peers. :)
 
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red butler said:
The battle lines for winning the hearts and minds of the Ukraine thread have been clearly drawn. BTW, I'm recommending commendations for everyone who posted tonight for meritorious service during the Super Bowl. Your commitment to the struggle has distinguished you all from your peers. :)
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dang i missed out, i guess that is what i get for traveling.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Instead of listening to naval advisers that highlighted the multiple deficiencies of Pearl Harbor and the port's vulnerability to a Japanese attack, FDR decided to leave the fleet their like sitting ducks and sacrifice 2000 lives in the hopes of drumming up public support for war.

Oh, and save me the rhetoric about wanting to save Chinese lives, because in the 90 or so years leading up to Pearl Harbor, Britain with the help of the US colonized China and robbed/starved millions in the Opium Wars and Boxer Rebellion... just for the sole purpose of controlling Chinese output and their ports in Shanghai and Hong Kong. But with Japan coming into the picture, the British didn't like the competition.
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LouderVol said:
Dear God. I suppose Hitler was left with no choice either except to kill the Jews after they ruined Germany. Gtfo out with that. We aren't allowed to say who we trade with? We aren't allowed to say no to an empire which had been killing the Chinese in droves? Considering your support of Russia I can actually believe you seeing pearl harbor being our fault. You know we acted on the intelligence we had right? Battleships were useless and the same result would have happened in an open water battle. But instead of surprise attack that rallied a nation it would have been a demoralizing defeat, which likely would have cost us our carriers too. Japan had planned on invading, our carriers were reserved to deal with that. The only reason yamato called it off was because he was spooked that our carriers weren't there. And that's ignoring the fact that we rushed an extra carrier in from San Diego to the middle of the pacific (damn big ocean) on month old Intel after the worlds strongest navy up and disappeared, no radio contact for weeks in that day in age is better than any stealth we now have. On that Intel our naval high command left the western seaboard wide open even after the auletians (alaska) got invaded by the japs. Do some freaking reading before you go anti american. I don't mind the crap with Russia because at least you don't have the benefit of 20/20 hindsight and do have a good point once in a blue moon but this is just ridiculous. Japan was at complete fault and the military knew they were waking the bear, yamatk begged not to goad us, but when he was forced he decided the only way he could was if he went all out and took us out of the pacific war in one sucker Punch ch, which he almost did.
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highlighted some of the most important pieces, because you clearly didn't read all of my post.

this was a war we weren't involved in yet. (war was declared the day after) . and even with the weakness of pearl harbor known, what could we have done in two-three weeks? It took about a week to get out there by boat. if we pull our navy out we lose them at sea or at the very least surrender Hawaii without a fight, and 5-6 months later we would have had to have invaded it. its impossible to play the what if game. Yes men died, would it had made a difference on a sleepy Sunday morning as men were getting out of Church if they knew the Japs might be attacking them that day? The Japanese navy had gone with out radar contact and was impossible to track over the open ocean, you can't maintain war footing for the 2-3 weeks when you are not at war.

and completely useless to this conversation but had we trotted out our battleships and fought a battle with them no rescue operations would have been possible, I have met several Pearl Harbor veterans who were very thankful the US navy wasn't at sea that day.
 
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LouderVol said:
highlighted some of the most important pieces, because you clearly didn't read all of my post.
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I'd bet he did. But he's also in the camp that decided we provoked the Japanese by cutting off their oil prior to. Which "backed" the Japanese into a corner and gave them no other alternative than to fight.

The main difference being that it would have happened eventually anyway. But Ras just loves to reach for anything that he can to blame the United States for every little thing that goes wrong in the world.
 
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Pacer92 said:
No Russian Troops in Ukraine/Obama Admits to Coup - English pravda.ru
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Meanwhile, Russia has sent at least 11 humanitarian Convoys of trucks to Ukraine. December 18, 2014, Obama gave $350 million in military aid to Kiev to attack civilians in SE Ukraine. Contrast that to evil Putin sending Russian drivers to fight through blizzards to deliver gifts, food, medicines, heaters and building materials. 60- 100 trucks on each trip. Representatives of the Ukrainian border service not only inspected the trucks, but also formalized all travel documents at the Ukrainian border. The West would agree that Putin is so evil he sends Christmas gifts to poor kids in Donbass. The children thanked the soldiers protecting them in this heart-warming video.

The US and Kiev kill civilians and kills kids while blaming Russia. The reality is Russia has helped more civilians by giving food, medical supplies and gifts to SE Ukraine. In my opinion, the genocide would stop in Novorossia if Russia helped militarily by quickly defeating the Ukrainian army and driving them back to Kiev. Obama is the dictator not Putin as the US news would have you believe. If Putin was a dictator, Russia would have conquered all of Ukraine long ago..
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wow. Obama is a lot of things, good and bad, but he doesn't have the intellectual capacity required to carry out a coup in a country he probably didn't know existed until his first Presidential Daily Briefing in 2009.
 
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OSCE reports laugh in the face of these trucks making it through official Ukraine border guards, they have been directly entering rebel controlled territory for months.
 
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MG1968 said:
wow. Obama is a lot of things, good and bad, but he doesn't have the intellectual capacity required to carry out a coup in a country he probably didn't know existed until his first Presidential Daily Briefing in 2009.
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So you're saying he's taking credit for the coup, that we didn't plan, so that he's not upstaged by Putin being seen as a master strategist. Actually.... I can see Obama doing that.
 
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Is there proof the Russian bomber over the English channel last week had a nuclear weapon?

I've seen lots of tweets about it but not much evidence.
 
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LouderVol said:
OSCE reports laugh in the face of these trucks making it through official Ukraine border guards, they have been directly entering rebel controlled territory for months.
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It's a known fact the OSCE is an instrument for western agenda..
 
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Velo Vol said:
Is there proof the Russian bomber over the English channel last week had a nuclear weapon?

I've seen lots of tweets about it but not much evidence.
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i haven't seen any proof. seems like a scare.

i am more worried about them playing chicken with civilian airliners.
 
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Pacer92 said:
It's a known fact the OSCE is an instrument for western agenda..
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good thing America runs that b#### so it says exactly what we want....driving Russia into the ground i bet they spend most of their money doing that

"Should Russia Leave the OSCE?. " / Russia in Global Affairs. Foreign policy research foundation


The idea that the OSCE focuses its activities only on the “East” (mainly in the form of missions and various centers and offices) is generally true, but it requires an essential specification. The main region of the OSCE’s field work has always been Southeast Europe, namely the countries of the former Yugoslavia and Albania. The territory of the former Soviet Union has never been a zone of any large-scale OSCE presence. Its Balkan missions in this decade account for half of the OSCE budget, whereas projects in the former Soviet Union make up about 20 percent (Graph 1). The same goes for the size of OSCE missions. In the last few years, the OSCE has sent 79 to 81 percent of its international staff working in the field to countries in Southeast Europe.
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but yeah i bet America has been increasing its influence.

The largest cuts in extra-budgetary contributions to the OSCE came from the U.S. – more than by half in 2007.
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well maybe other countries are stepping up their pressure on making sure little innocent Russia is bullied

This decrease is not compensated for in any way by stepped-up activities in the former Soviet Union. In particular, since the OSCE closed its Assistance Group to Chechnya and gave up election observation in Russia in 2007, the organization has not been engaged in any activity in this country.

If Russia’s criticism was aimed at having the OSCE reduce its activities “east of Vienna,” then this is happening today by itself.
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hmm i wonder how other countries feel about Russia in the OSCE

The attitude toward the OSCE could change, perhaps, only in Georgia, which now views the organization as an instrument of Russian policy. If Russia withdraws from the organization and thus stops influencing decision-making regarding the activities of the OSCE Mission to Georgia, official Tbilisi will only welcome such a turn of events.
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hmm I wonder if Russia has proposed anything to fix the OSCE

more interesting tidbits in the first two items about how much control each member gets (VETO each item) and the OSCE partners getting together to vote on each item

Third, Russia advocated streamlining the OSCE’s operation and internal governance procedures, which often formed spontaneously on the basis of decisions made by the Ministerial Council and the Permanent Council. To this end, Moscow proposed making the OSCE a legal entity, adopting the organization’s Charter (Russia distributed a draft Charter in the summer of 2007), and unifying standard procedures for governing various operations of the OSCE and its institutions.


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many states find the requirements of Russia unacceptable, which actually propose confining autonomous OSCE institutions in a rigid corset of political consensus. This would make the organization’s efficiency dependent on the success or failure of political bargaining between Russia and its OSCE partners
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article is a few years old but....
 
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