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Burhead said:
Just doing some research on the Ukrainian military, I can't be how much it has been dismantled over the years. When the Soviet Union collapsed, the Ukraine took over the following;

* 1st Guards Army
* 13th Army
* 38th Army
* 6th Guards Tank Army
* 8th Tank Army
* 32nd Army Corps
* 28th Guards Motor Rifle Division
* 180th Motor Rifle Division

Which totaled around 780,000 troops, 6,500 armored vehicles, and 6,500 tanks and to mention 2,500 tactical nukes. Now they barely have 6,000 combat ready troops with the Russians potentially invading. Also it seems like the Canadians think it could happen within the week.
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It is amazing, although I imagine those numbers (assuming they held today) would be somewhat misleading as a good deal of the servicemen and women would probably identify as ethnic Russian. Maybe that wouldn't be the case, but one could argue that having such numbers as that today may have resulted in a very bloody civil war. Just speculation on my part though.

On the one hand, I'm firmly against sending our troops to die for Ukrainian independence (not to mention it could trigger a wider regional/world war). But on the other hand, Ukraine made such a good faith effort to disarm after the Cold War under international pressure. It's really a shame to see that good faith be preyed upon. It makes me feel like the US is somewhat responsible for this possible invasion, although I don't know that it warrants our actual military involvement.
 
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volprof said:
Storming? As in with arms, or as in just general storming in protest?
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No arms being reported, demanding the Interior Ministry to resign. They do seem to have a bad sense of timing. They have to know they are playing right into Putin's hand.
 
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Not directly related but while doing some research I discovered this site;

Soviet Armor :: Home

For just $25,000 dollars we could buy a BTR-60 from Ukraine, who want chip in?
 
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Burhead said:
Not directly related but while doing some research I discovered this site;

Soviet Armor :: Home

For just $25,000 dollars we could buy a BTR-60 from Ukraine, who want cheap in?
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The Internet is a wonderful place. I noticed they have all been demilitarized though. No thanks! What's the point of having my own personal BTR if I can't go around shooting other vehicles with a 20 or 25 mm cannon.
 
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The liberal politically correct crowd back up to their old shenanigans. Now we can't call it "the Ukraine" anymore. I guess tomorrow we won't even be able to call the South "the South" anymore:

The controversy over calling it "Ukraine' or the "the Ukraine' - chicagotribune.com

Seriously though, I've been wondering about the article in front of Ukraine as well. I guess this helps explain it, as well as why we should drop it.
 
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volprof said:
The Internet is a wonderful place. I noticed they have all been demilitarized though. No thanks! What's the point of having my own personal BTR if I can't go around shooting other vehicles with a 20 or 25 mm cannon.
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They still have the interior firing ports though. I often wonder what the process is like for civilians buying decommissioned military vehicles for private collections is like. For example, there are I think 3 flyable MiG-29s owned by individuals in the US. How on earth do you import those?

volprof said:
The liberal politically correct crowd back up to their old shenanigans. Now we can't call it "the Ukraine" anymore. I guess tomorrow we won't even be able to call the South "the South" anymore:

The controversy over calling it "Ukraine' or the "the Ukraine' - chicagotribune.com

Seriously though, I've been wondering about the article in front of Ukraine as well. I guess this helps explain it, as well as why we should drop it.
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I've always used both.
 
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I don't understand Putin's motive in this. Invading Ukraine would be suicide for Russia at this point... He needs to be glad he got away with Crimea and leave it at that.
 
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Rockytoptalker said:
I don't understand Putin's motive in this. Invading Ukraine would be suicide for Russia at this point... He needs to be glad he got away with Crimea and leave it at that.
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Depends, the East & South do have a large Russian population but not all of them support Moscow. I think the plan will be to secure up to Odessa and that will allow him to incorporate Transnistria. Also by doing that he stripes the Ukraine of its valuable warm water ports as well and land locks the country.

Also some I've seen that some of the units massing on the border are elite units (VDV, GMRD, GTD) that wouldn't be deployed away from Moscow this long without them having a significant objective.
 
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Burhead said:
Depends, the East & South do have a large Russian population but not all of them support Moscow. I think the plan will be to secure up to Odessa and that will allow him to incorporate Transnistria. Also by doing that he stripes the Ukraine of its valuable warm water ports as well and land locks the country.

Also some I've seen that some of the units massing on the border are elite units (VDV, GMRD, GTD) that wouldn't be deployed away from Moscow this long without them having a significant objective.
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From what source(s) do you get the majority of your information? You seem to have access to specifics/details that I just don't typically see in most news accounts.

Or maybe you're a spy.
 
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volprof said:
From what source(s) do you get the majority of your information? You seem to have access to specifics/details that I just don't typically see in most news accounts.

Or maybe you're a spy.
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Here are some of the guys I follow on Twitter that seem to be up to date on the crisis. It seems certain Twitter personalities are really killing it compared to typical news outlets on this. I also follow a number of Ukrainian activists accounts that provide first hand knowledge on the ground;

@20committee
@ISNJH
@ThreatWatch1
@gerrydogma

I also watch some of the YouTube clips that show Russian troop movements and try determine what type of equipment is being deployed. That is probably the biggest because you kind of get an idea of what the Kremlin is thinking. :hi:
 
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Burhead said:
Here are some of the guys I follow on Twitter that seem to be up to date on the crisis. It seems certain Twitter personalities are really killing it compared to typical news outlets on this. I also follow a number of Ukrainian activists accounts that provide first hand knowledge on the ground;

@20committee
@ISNJH
@ThreatWatch1
@gerrydogma

I also watch some of the YouTube clips that show Russian troop movements and try determine what type of equipment is being deployed. That is probably the biggest because you kind of get an idea of what the Kremlin is thinking. :hi:
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Hear ye, hear ye. Thanks!
 
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Grand Vol said:
He's a spy, don't let him fool you. After he logs off Volnation he jumps into his Aston-Martin, grabs his PPK and rides off into the sunset with some hot chick.
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I suspected such but wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt.
 
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Rockytoptalker said:
I don't understand Putin's motive in this. Invading Ukraine would be suicide for Russia at this point... He needs to be glad he got away with Crimea and leave it at that.
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It wouldn't be suicide but an occupation would be a considerable drain (see America, this past decade). Can they afford it?
 
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