Ukraine Protests

[Gramps]

Rumor that Viktor Yanukovych is dead from a heart attack

Wow... odd timing if true.

 

[volprof]

Rumor that Viktor Yanukovych is dead from a heart attack

Either a rumor, or he didn't die from a natural heart attack.

 

[Grand Vol]

But that's also what makes for war -- underestimating the other side's resolve.

I didn't realize the US had any resolve in this situation...

 

[volprof]

I know it's not related, but I have to post it here:

Netanyahu just called Iran a "nuclear duck." I almost fell out of my chair.

 

[Obsessed]

Reuters World ‏@ReutersWorld 1h
Russia says it will retaliate for any U.S. sanctions over Ukraine #breaking

"they will have to defend themselves due to the footlessness of "Washington"

 

[Grand Vol]

Wow... odd extremely convenient timing if true.

Fixed.

 

[lawgator1]

I didn't realize the US had any resolve in this situation...

We don't.

And shouldn't have any, at least not based on what has happened so far. And we've warned not to go further. I mean, if Russian tanks start slaughtering Ukrainian cities then we might have some resolve.

But right now this is simply NONE OF OUR BUSINESS.

 

[volinbham]

I know it's not related, but I have to post it here:

Netanyahu just called Iran a "nuclear duck." I almost fell out of my chair.

If it glows like a duck...

 

[Obsessed]

We don't.

And shouldn't have any, at least not based on what has happened so far. And we've warned not to go further. I mean, if Russian tanks start slaughtering Ukrainian cities then we might have some resolve.

But right now this is simply NONE OF OUR BUSINESS.

Don't know if legit, but...

 

[lawgator1]

I know it's not related, but I have to post it here:

Netanyahu just called Iran a "nuclear duck." I almost fell out of my chair.

First.

(Glowing from radiation)

 

[Grand Vol]

We don't.

And shouldn't have any, at least not based on what has happened so far. And we've warned not to go further. I mean, if Russian tanks start slaughtering Ukrainian cities then we might have some resolve.

But right now this is simply NONE OF OUR BUSINESS.

Okay, so what are the long term effects of Russian occupation of the Crimea and Eastern Ukraine?

How does this play out in the next six months to ten years?

 

[37L1]

Putin says:

Troops aren't his.

Putin Denies Sending Russian Troops to Crimea | Russia | RIA Novosti

 

[Obsessed]

*russia test fires intercontinental ballistic missile: Interfax
*russia test fired missile from range in astrakhan region: Ifx
*russia missile launched at 10:10pm in southern russia: Interfax
*interfax cites russian defense ministry on missile test

 

[MG1968]

Okay, so what are the long term effects of Russian occupation of the Crimea and Eastern Ukraine?

How does this play out in the next six months to ten years?

I doubt even Putin has the stomach for another Afghanistan, which is what this would become.

 

[lawgator1]

Okay, so what are the long term effects of Russian occupation of the Crimea and Eastern Ukraine?

How does this play out in the next six months to ten years?

I don't know but simple occupation of Crimea (where are you getting Eastern Ukraine from and what does it mean?) I don't think justifies any sort of military response by us, do you?

I'm not saying things could not change. I'm just saying that right now this is not something over which we have any input or acute enough interest to do other than what we are doing.

 

[Grand Vol]

I doubt even Putin has the stomach for another Afghanistan, which is what this would become.

Would it? Specifically in areas like the Eastern Ukraine and Crimea where there is significant Russian support?

 

[37L1]

Even more here:

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/05/world/europe/ukraine.html?_r=0

He flatly denied that Russian troops had occupied Crimea and said the United States government had interfered in Ukraine “from across the pond in America as if they were sitting in a laboratory and running experiments on rats, without any understanding of the consequences.”

 

[Grand Vol]

I don't know but simple occupation of Crimea (where are you getting Eastern Ukraine from and what does it mean?) I don't think justifies any sort of military response by us, do you?

I'm not saying things could not change. I'm just saying that right now this is not something over which we have any input or acute enough interest to do other than what we are doing.

The eastern portion of the Ukraine where there is significant Russian support.

I'm not suggesting this justifies a military action on our part, but what would be next on Putin's agenda? In your opinion of course.

ETA:

Eastern Ukraine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Obsessed]

Ukrainian soldiers let half dozen into Yevpatoria base to negotiate. Man openly id's himself as Russian. Urges Ukrainians to turn over guns



So far Ukrainians refuse to hand over weapons. Negotiations on hold over whether separate Russian convoy intends to storm base. Crowd calm

 

[volinbham]

Some interesting insights here - fits the broader theme of telling people what's good for them

Obama Administration's Rhetoric on Russia Is Accomplishing Nothing | New Republic

 

[rocktopper16]

Ish is about to get real.

 

[Obsessed]

Ish is about to get real.

It has the potential.

 

[MG1968]

Would it? Specifically in areas like the Eastern Ukraine and Crimea where there is significant Russian support?

what happens when the rest of Ukraine refuses to do business with the Russian occupied areas? Or the Russian pipelines that crisscross Ukraine are threatened?

 

[Obsessed]

MOSCOW, March 4 (Reuters) - Russia said it had successfully test-fired an Intercontinental Ballistic Missile (ICBM) on Tuesday, with tensions high over its seizure of control in the Crimea and its threat to send more forces to its neighbour Ukraine.

The Strategic Rocket Forces launched an RS-12M Topol missile from the southerly Astrakhan region near the Caspian Sea and the dummy warhead hit its target at a proving ground in Kazakhstan, the state-run news agency RIA cited Defence Ministry spokesman Igor Yegorov as saying.

 

[VolsNSkinsFan]

So Russia just test fired an ICBM.