Trooper and former players recruiting against vols?

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#126
CSpindizzy said:
Having no knowledge is a double edged sword. Did Hamilton have knowledge of Pearl's picture fiasco? Who had knowledge of a few girls driving around stalking recruits? In some instances daddy does a no-no and 'knowledge' is overlooked while in others it is not.

My point is this happens under Dooley's watch. Up to this point we could say things were clean since he came to town and all rule violations were Kiffin's.
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So you're saying the NCAA would put a violation on Dooley because a former player contacted a recruit and convinced him not to sign for Dooley? That would suck.
 
#127
#127
BearCat204 said:
If a former UT player contacts a recruit, yes it is. Doesnt matter if he is recruiting for or against. The only thing here is that GJ is technically not a "former" player and still enrolled at UT.[/QU i find it hard to believe that as backwards as the ncaa is, this would be an issue whatsoever.
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#128
#128
I refuse to believe that Jones would tell another player to not come to Tennessee. I'd believe he might share positive opinions on CTT, but that's it.
 
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#129
Rudy123 said:
Gabe Wright was NEVER going to go to U.T. He wanted to go to U.T. BUT his mom and girlfriend wanted him to go to Auburn. The pressure from his mom and girlfriend were going to win out over his own desires. A month ago, an article was written that said
" Gabe Wright wants to go to U.T. but his mom & girlfriend are pushing him to go to a different school" I would assume that that meant Auburn, wouldn't you!!
Whomever spoke to him about U.T. didn't sway him opinion. His mind was already made up!!!
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you've posted this many times and it's been wrong every single one of them. Please stop
 
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#130
bleedorange0037 said:
What you're missing is the fact that you can't view this like any other sort of violations we've seen in the past. If true this would be completely unprecedented. Find me one other instance where a college player has actively recruited against his school. Like someone else said, if anything, the NCAA will use this as an opportunity to close a loophole they could never have imagined existing.
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What you're missing is that if this is a violation, it does not matter if he recruited against his school. The NCAA may take that under consideration as far as enforcement but if a rule was broken, it was broken. The NCAA could take the Cam route and say the rules are unclear, etc. etc. But if a player recruits, the rule spells it out.

You've clearly read too much in what I've said. I never said Dooley is personally responsible, at fault, etc. or that UT will in fact be punished. I just said it does not look good having happened under his watch. As I said, with scrutiny coming down on UT, part of the defense has been "it's all Kiffin's fault" and he is gone. Something occurring under Dooley's watch does not look good. I never said he would take a fall for it.

Read my first post on Trooper knowing this loophole and exploiting it.
 
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#131
I am lost here why would T.T. not recruit against us now that he is at another school. Sorry if I am missing something here. As for a former player maybe he was not given all he was promised. NUKEESE lol.
 
#132
#132
Sucks if true. Kinda surprised that it's GJ, but there have been plenty of players over the past 5 years that have had tough experiences at UT. Foster and Crompton come to mind immediately. I'm sure Matt Simms won't be saying great things about UT.

We've had some pretty mediocre seasons, which isn't what they planned on, and - let's face it - a portion of out fans have been awful.

Not saying it's ok, but it's at least understandable.
 
#133
#133
Incipient said:
It seems like this is a loophole that would be looked past and/or closed up if the NCAA had any sense at all. So a disgruntled former player can call all the recruits he wants just to get his old school into trouble?
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There's no loophole to close. GJ is still considered a current athlete by the NCAA because he is still on scholarship.

Additionally, he would have met Jones on one of his visits, meaning that they might have become friends. They do not have to cut off that relationship when GJ's eligibility ends.

The thing here is the unknown. What were the circumstances of the call? Who called who? Did he ask GJ a specific question? Like maybe, is that place stable? What was your experience? Who was the best coach you ever played for? The answer to any of those questions could be construed as potentially negative against UT, when that may never have been his intention. I don't have a problem with him being honest. I would certainly have a problem with him running a smear campaign against UT, but I don't that's what happened.

Granted, I have no idea what exactly went on. I keep my nose completely out of everything that has to do with recruiting. My gut feeling is this is something minor that has been blown up huge by speculation and rumor.
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#134
#134
If GJ does not show for pro-day, it's safe to say this is confirmed. Until we get some actual info though...
 
#135
#135
I don't necessarily understand why this is surprising to anyone. Jones was an idiotic underachiever. Taylor is just a bad overall human being. Nothing here really surprises me.
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#136
#136
Someone posted this on VQ. Looks like it would be a violation agains UT.

13.1.2 Permissible Recruiters.
13.1.2.1 General Rule. All in-person, on- and off-campus recruiting contacts with a prospective student-athlete
or the prospective student-athlete’s relatives or legal guardians shall be made only by authorized institutional
staff members. Such contact, as well as correspondence and telephone calls, by representatives of an institution’s
athletics interests is prohibited except as otherwise permitted in this section. Violations of this bylaw involving
individuals other than a representative of an institution’s athletics interests shall be considered institutional violations
per Constitution 2.8.1; however, such violations shall not affect the prospective student-athlete’s eligibility.
(Revised: 8/5/04)
 
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#137
OaklandTnVol said:
Someone on VQ said that Jones was really close with Taylor when he was here, and the main reason he came to UT. Still, that doesn't mean bad mouth your school to a recruit. If Jones just spoke highly of Trooper that is one thing, but if he bad mouthed UT that is sad and says a lot about him as a person.
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Hope Gerald has fun watching the draft in April with NO mention of his name.
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DeerPark12 said:
There's no loophole to close. GJ is still considered a current athlete by the NCAA because he is still on scholarship.
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Whether or not this particular case is a violation, there's still a loophole to close if disgruntled former players can intentionally commit violations to get their school into trouble.
 
#141
#141
I normally don't condone this but I wish one of the Facebook stalkers that is friends with him (GJ) would straight up asking him about it.
 
#143
#143
Incipient said:
Whether or not this particular case is a violation, there's still a loophole to close if disgruntled former players can intentionally commit violations to get their school into trouble.
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I agree, Bryce Brown could screw over Dooley for not getting a release in this case. I would think the NCAA would take that into consideration that the player was doing something negative toward UT even though I know that isn't how it is written up.
 
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#144
Incipient said:
Whether or not this particular case is a violation, there's still a loophole to close if disgruntled former players can intentionally commit violations to get their school into trouble.
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the ncaa makes it's rules up as they go.
 
#145
#145
San Diego Vol said:
JMO, but Gabe knew he was going to Auburn all along. Evidenced by the custom Nick Who hat
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The hat proves nothing. It smelled exactly lie Trooper. He had the hat made to influence Gabe. It was just part of his sales pitch - that he would be the next Nick.

Trooper is scum, and if Gerald Jones was a part of this, then he is simply Trooper Taylor light, and a disgrace to the uniform he was low enough to wear. If guilty, he should have packed and gone with Kiffen.
 
#148
#148
UT's coaches do end of season and exit interviews with the players (these are still going on). Perhaps GJ's didn't go well and he was angry. He is a loose cannon and shoots his mouth off quickly. I've been told by the older guys on the team that CDD heavily favors the young guys that came in since his arrival and the older guys don't think they get a fair shot. GJ is probably upset that Justin Hunter got so much good press and play time. Knowing GJ personally, I can see him doing something like this.
 
#150
#150
OaklandTnVol said:
Someone posted this on VQ. Looks like it would be a violation agains UT.

13.1.2 Permissible Recruiters.
13.1.2.1 General Rule. All in-person, on- and off-campus recruiting contacts with a prospective student-athlete
or the prospective student-athlete’s relatives or legal guardians shall be made only by authorized institutional
staff members. Such contact, as well as correspondence and telephone calls, by representatives of an institution’s
athletics interests is prohibited except as otherwise permitted in this section. Violations of this bylaw involving
individuals other than a representative of an institution’s athletics interests shall be considered institutional violations
per Constitution 2.8.1; however, such violations shall not affect the prospective student-athlete’s eligibility.
(Revised: 8/5/04)
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Gerald Jones is a representative of Tennessee in this instance.
 
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