Too much ice

[Smokey123]

I'm not trying to prove anything to you, mate. I have every reason to believe that their actions were legitimate federal LEO activities. You're the one clinging to hopes that maybe, just maybe, ICE is the only law enforcement agency in America that is given the authorities to implement their charter, but not the powers to do so day to day-- i.e the common needs to do things like clear and secure their areas of operations.

If you want to try to prove to me that ICE is the one law enforcement agency that is given authority but not the powers to affect such authority, knock yourself out. I'll be all ears, otherwise all you're doing is clogging the thread.

And again, my criticism of your AI was that even it said that it was giving a partial list.

Not sure why you went back to respond to this. But continue on with your rambling and not addressing anything I say or providing any laws or statues. But I’m glad to know your opinions

 

[DuckInAPen]

Looked like a cup (maybe an assault cup). Arrest them if there was a violation. You don't pepper spray a crowd as your driving away unless you're a coward

Look, I'm not saying those people deserved to get pepper-sprayed, but they used exceptionally poor judgment when they decided to protest with people holding cups. They may have had a right to do so, but that doesn't mean they should have used it. If they had just stayed home and not gotten in the officers' way, they wouldn't have gotten pepper-sprayed (not that I'm saying they deserved to be sprayed, you understand).

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

LMAO .... she's a partisan nut job who they still let her say her wacky opinion.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Not sure why you went back to respond to this. But continue on with your rambling and not addressing anything I say or providing any laws or statues. But I’m glad to know your opinions

My apologies. For some reason I thought it was a more recent post.

 

[Delmar]

I desperately hope that it is either investigated by an independent, or goes to a grand jury, or both. This needs to be closed above the table with full transparency, one way or another.

At the end of the day, that’s what I want to see. Pretty sure a grand jury will be called but I am sticking with the scapegoat theory.

Based on the administration response so far, I think Trump knows what the feeling of the majority of the public is on this. (Trump, Stephen Miller and Ted Cruz have already started backing away from this like a cow patty on your kitchen table and I have never seen that before.) I believe there are major political ramifications for Trump and his administration with this situation and someone is taking the fall. Might be Noem, might be the agents, might be both but somebody is getting sacrificed on the altar of political expediency. If they stick it totally on Pretti, that is not going to go down well and I think Trump knows it. Going to be an interesting case.

 

[Majors]

He's the democrats choir boy who was just standing there minding his own business.

He’s just a VA Nurse.

 

[DuckInAPen]

Wonder why only 2 fired their weapons if this was such a life or death scenario

The others were too paralyzed by fear.

 

[hog88]

At the end of the day, that’s what I want to see. Pretty sure a grand jury will be called but I am sticking with the scapegoat theory.

Based on the administration response so far, I think Trump knows what the feeling of the majority of the public is on this. (Trump, Stephen Miller and Ted Cruz have already started backing away from this like a cow patty on your kitchen table and I have never seen that before.) I believe there are major political ramifications for Trump and his administration with this situation and someone is taking the fall. Might be Noem, might be the agents, might be both but somebody is getting sacrificed on the altar of political expediency. If they stick it totally on Pretti, that is not going to go down well and I think Trump knows it. Going to be an interesting case.

Noem needs to go but who else but the agents that fired the shots need to take a fall?

 

[NorthDallas40]

Noem needs to go but who else but the agents that fired the shots need to take a fall?

And Bovino. He was the on scene commander

 

[Delmar]

Noem needs to go but who else but the agents that fired the shots need to take a fall?

That about covers it. Bovino has already been exiled to BF California. The other agents should have intervened but I think it happened too quickly so I can’t really blame them. Point is I think Trump is going to stick somebody with this and hope it goes away. But that’s just me. I have a cynical nature.

 

[Rickyvol77]

Some of yall would have definitely been on the British side

Silly take. Thats like saying some of you would’ve been on the Communists side in various country

 

[Rickyvol77]

I am wading into the convo mid stream but isn't the idea of a 'citizen's arrest' still valid in America? If so, would an ICE agent arresting a felony car theft fall under a citizen's arrest?

Yes

 

[apevol]

yeah this just makes it look like revenge murder

for anybody getting excited to say "see hes a bad guy!", this means premeditated

 

[apevol]

Silly take. Thats like saying some of you would’ve been on the Communists side in various country

i mean, depends on which country

 

[Majors]

He's the democrats choir boy who was just standing there minding his own business.

Big winner is the car shop replacing the tail light for 4K.

 

[BreatheUT]

The democrat party is struggling and this thread proves it.

I'm going to have to put emotional music behind some of these posts.

 

[NorthDallas40]

The democrat party is struggling and this thread proves it.

I'm going to have to put emotional music behind some of these posts.

The most vocal critics are all right leaning

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

 

[hjeagle1vol]

The democrat party is struggling and this thread proves it.

I'm going to have to put emotional music behind some of these posts.

…and this is just the beginning
Wait til they showcase Pritzkers NGOs

 

[Rooster1]

LMAO .... she's a partisan nut job who they still let her say her wacky opinion.

Hey “Cowboy”, tell us all how it was ok to shoot an American citizen 9 times after he was disarmed, and who never brandished his weapon? You are wanting a Nazi regime if you advocate masked federal agents shooting US citizens and before you even reply with your maga line, know that as soon as the orange man is lame ducked and GOP’s no longer fear being primaried by him that those like you will not only lose your voice, you will also lose your last hope at an authoritarian leader promoting your agenda which will be gone. It’s coming.

The Stephen Miller types who forsake the constitution and our democracy for the attempt to control the votes going forward are living on borrowed time. The justice proclaimed by our constitution will prevail, whether or not you like it. Enjoy the time basking in your short lived sun rays under the protection of a short lived reprieve from US Democracy, your desired social upheaval is soon to face the brunt of true Democracy. I served many hard years in service of defending our constitution, most of it in harms way as part of our armed forces, sworn to defend the constitution and cowboys like you are a flea on the ass of a jackass.

Anytime you want to go Mano a Mano on our merits as defenders of the constitution and our efforts to date to do so, say when. I will gladly exchange résumé’s with you. I’ve done the hard time and walked the walk. I understand the nature of what I was defending. You believe a one off nut case authoritarian wannabe can destroy the 250 years of our democracy and enact a new order beholding to your deep seated desires. It won’t happen cowboy, this country and its constitution won’t lose to the Stephen Miller’s and Trump’s of the world, you sadly underestimated the strength of this Democracy. Your social upheaval desires will die, be it known now.

 

[Carl Pickens]

LMAO .... she's a partisan nut job who they still let her say her wacky opinion.

This is disgusting

 

[Carl Pickens]

He's the democrats choir boy who was just standing there minding his own business.

It’s amazing that he didn’t get beat down for that. Common sense tells most people that if you do that kind of thing there’s an ass whipping that follows.

 

[appvol]

Hey “Cowboy”, tell us all how it was ok to shoot an American citizen 9 times after he was disarmed, and who never brandished his weapon? You are wanting a Nazi regime if you advocate masked federal agents shooting US citizens and before you even reply with your maga line, know that as soon as the orange man is lame ducked and GOP’s no longer fear being primaried by him that those like you will not only lose your voice, you will also lose your last hope at an authoritarian leader promoting your agenda which will be gone. It’s coming.

The Stephen Miller types who forsake the constitution and our democracy for the attempt to control the votes going forward are living on borrowed time. The justice proclaimed by our constitution will prevail, whether or not you like it. Enjoy the time basking in your short lived sun rays under the protection of a short lived reprieve from US Democracy, your desired social upheaval is soon to face the brunt of true Democracy. I served many hard years in service of defending our constitution, most of it in harms way as part of our armed forces, sworn to defend the constitution and cowboys like you are a flea on the ass of a jackass.

Anytime you want to go Mano a Mano on our merits as defenders of the constitution and our efforts to date to do so, say when. I will gladly exchange résumé’s with you. I’ve done the hard time and walked the walk. I understand the nature of what I was defending.

 

[Carl Pickens]

Hey “Cowboy”, tell us all how it was ok to shoot an American citizen 9 times after he was disarmed, and who never brandished his weapon? You are wanting a Nazi regime if you advocate masked federal agents shooting US citizens and before you even reply with your maga line, know that as soon as the orange man is lame ducked and GOP’s no longer fear being primaried by him that those like you will not only lose your voice, you will also lose your last hope at an authoritarian leader promoting your agenda which will be gone. It’s coming.

The Stephen Miller types who forsake the constitution and our democracy for the attempt to control the votes going forward are living on borrowed time. The justice proclaimed by our constitution will prevail, whether or not you like it. Enjoy the time basking in your short lived sun rays under the protection of a short lived reprieve from US Democracy, your desired social upheaval is soon to face the brunt of true Democracy. I served many hard years in service of defending our constitution, most of it in harms way as part of our armed forces, sworn to defend the constitution and cowboys like you are a flea on the ass of a jackass.

Anytime you want to go Mano a Mano on our merits as defenders of the constitution and our efforts to date to do so, say when. I will gladly exchange résumé’s with you. I’ve done the hard time and walked the walk. I understand the nature of what I was defending. You believe a one off nut case authoritarian wannabe can destroy the 250 years of our democracy and enact a new order beholding to your deep seated desires. It won’t happen cowboy, this country and its constitution won’t lose to the Stephen Miller’s and Trump’s of the world, you sadly underestimated the strength of this Democracy. Your social upheaval desires will die, be it known now.

Lighten up Francis ….. he never said it was ok to kill the MF

 

[Rooster1]

This is disgusting

It’s disgusting a decent man who was a US citizen was shot 9 times on the streets of America by masked federal agents. Yeah, we agree, disgusting.