Too much ice

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McDad said:
Meh. I took a lot of heat by concluding that cop killed George Floyd, too.

It happens.
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Looks like we agree on that one too. I posted this when it happened but my neighbor is a sergeant in Dallas PD. I asked the relevant opinion within his department on the event. It was a succinct reply. “It was perfectly ok right up to the point to where it wasn’t.”
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Looks like we agree on that one too. I posted this when it happened but my neighbor is a sergeant in Dallas PD. I asked the relevant opinion within his department on the event. It was a succinct reply. “It was perfectly ok right up to the point to where it wasn’t.”
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Anybody with some years of life under their belt knows for a fact there are good and bad in every vocation. And law enforcement-type jobs can attracts some people who do not have the temperament to do that very challenging work.
 
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McDad said:
Anybody with some years of life under their belt knows for a fact there are good and bad in every vocation. And law enforcement-type jobs can attracts some people who do not have the temperament to do that very challenging work.
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Oh the idiot that killed him deserves a bunch of rebuke for sure. But I’ll really take to task the three or four complicit officers around him that didn’t call “enough!”
 
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Orange_Crush said:
I do not believe the courts have ruled that people can walk right up on agents who are trying to perform their duties. That's my point. There is one thing to stand yards away screaming and cursing them. It's another to walk up within a couple of feet of them. That's an amazing way to get LEOs stabbed in the back or bashed in the back of the skull.


See my edit. I am not saying that they have authority of general crowd control. That's why the NG guard was brought in for that. I am saying that they have the authority to clear their immediate area of operations, similar to a police officer telling a passenger to get back in the car while they are dealing with the driver, or officers telling you to back of if you walk up on them while they are trying to arrest someone. And that's what the agents seemed to have been doing in this case. They were not dispersing the crowd. They were removing specific individuals from the imediate vicinity of their operations.

Your AI quotes, as full and complete as they were (no sarcasm) did not state that they cannot clear the area of their operations.
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Is there any law or statue that states they can only get x ft away?

They can remove people if they’re physically impeding. Which is my whole point, if they can’t prove they were impeding then the whole situation leading up to tackling Pretti would have been unlawful. Thus the defense of the agents saying Pretti was interfering with operations and getting physical would not hold up in the slightest
 
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McDad said:
I thought the discussion i jumped in on was about what if scenarios unrelated to the shooting.
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In the post you just quoted I was still talking about Floyd. We we had our huepel-thetical exchange along with the wunderpig which I thought we all agreed upon the likely existence of exemptions. Gettin konfuzing up in heer
 
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@MAD they just showed the video on ABC Nightly News I am guessing you were referring too. It absolutely looks like Pretti and he in fact kicked the vehicle it looks like and broke the rear taillight assembly. At the end of the encounter both parties just got up and walked away nobody was detained. And his pistol appears clearly in the small of his back. If both parties just went their ways as was stated then DHS wouldn’t have any file of the encounter most likely so both statements can be true.
 
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Ok so I’ve watched all the people give their opinions and I’ve watched all the videos of the incident again.
Bottom line.

One agent removed the victim’s firearm and had time to turn his back and start to walk away before another agent shot a held down unarmed man in the back with a clear view of the victims hands. He was not in danger

It’s a murder.
As such nobody seems to be asking….
Was there motive?
Well, it’s been reported that the victim has clashed with ice agents several times. I’d like to know if this agent had directly interacted with the victim before.
Was there opportunity?
A gun was removed and the victim was held down.
Was it excessive?
The third shot into a falling victim and 10 total shots says it is definitely worth the investigation.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
^^^^^^
Was the agent who shot Petti there?
This goes to motive.
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Oh don’t even give anyone that opening. DHS was so traumatized they didn’t even detain and identify him and didn’t fill out any paperwork😂 His gun is even visible in the small of his back and it was totally ignored (not really sure what that says about the agents though honestly)

That response looked kinda appropriate to me. He wrongly damaged their vehicle and they got out and slapped him around a little bit and kicked him in the ass and sent him on his way.
 
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Smokey123 said:
Is there any law or statue that states they can only get x ft away?

They can remove people if they’re physically impeding. Which is my whole point, if they can’t prove they were impeding then the whole situation leading up to tackling Pretti would have been unlawful. Thus the defense of the agents saying Pretti was interfering with operations and getting physical would not hold up in the slightest
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It's my belief and understanding that they have every right to secure their area of operation as any other LEO does theirs. It would fall under the necessity that they are granted certain authorities, as well as the powers needed to exercise those authorities.

I get it. ICE bad. Agents mean. Pretti is dead and someone needs to pay.

But the legal experts I've listened to don't seem to think the law is written in such a way as to make me assume that's how it will play out. LEOs have to put themselves and their lives on the line every day. The law gives them a lot of leeway on trying to keep themselves and their areas of operations safe, and quite a bit of leeway in having to make split-second, chaotic life-and-death decisions, whether you like their charter and mission or think that they're polite enough in doing it.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
@MAD they just showed the video on ABC Nightly News I am guessing you were referring too. It absolutely looks like Pretti and he in fact kicked the vehicle it looks like and broke the rear taillight assembly. At the end of the encounter both parties just got up and walked away nobody was detained. And his pistol appears clearly in the small of his back. If both parties just went their ways as was stated then DHS wouldn’t have any file of the encounter most likely so both statements can be true.
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Just watched that video, he deserved and should have been arrested then. He was 10x more unhinged and aggressive in that altercation.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
@MAD they just showed the video on ABC Nightly News I am guessing you were referring too. It absolutely looks like Pretti and he in fact kicked the vehicle it looks like and broke the rear taillight assembly. At the end of the encounter both parties just got up and walked away nobody was detained. And his pistol appears clearly in the small of his back. If both parties just went their ways as was stated then DHS wouldn’t have any file of the encounter most likely so both statements can be true.
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I don’t know but that looks like an arrestable offense to me since he caused property damage. Wonder why they didn’t arrest. Not that it has anything to do with the recent encounter. Just sort of odd.
 
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