Too much ice

People need to remove their blinders and realize we already went through basically the same BS with the “other side.”
We are all being played and the sooner people realize this, the sooner we can stop treating politicians like kings and start holding them accountable as the elected officials they are.

What are you calling "basically the same BS?"

Democrats built the vehicle. **** 'em. But IDK what compares to this. What conservative city was overrun with federal agents (and national guard) in the Biden or Obama admin?
 
People need to remove their blinders and realize we already went through basically the same BS with the “other side.”
We are all being played and the sooner people realize this, the sooner we can stop treating politicians like kings and start holding them accountable as the elected officials they are.

I don't disagree but we haven't seen an American gestapo on our streets in my lifetime. Nor have I seen an American president openly antagonize, openly bully and overtly threaten military action against our allies.

Trump fans the flames of division to his benefit and to our detriment in a manner I haven't seen in my lifetime.

There is no equivalency here with prior administrations, again, at least in my lifetime, democrat or republican.
 
Agree up until the last paragraph. I think this one is all video evidence and I don’t officer mindset will apply. It hinges on the still of the victim’s weapon in the ICE agent’s hand if that is deemed to have occurred before the first shot rang out it’s a bad shoot. And I see no way any ICE agent can make a convincing argument they thought they were imminent danger.
If I have my firearm in my hand trying to subdue an armed suspect (yes we know he had one gun taken but officers are trained to assume there are more weapons on their person) who is fighting me, and he grabs that firearm, it easily could go off accidentally OR i can legally keep him from grabbing my firearm by using it purposefully

Now you want to argue the tactical merits of trying to wrestle to handcuff a guy with a firearm in your hand, go for it. I sure wouldn't do it, but it's not illegal in that first scenario.

If the suspect directly caused the firearm to go off by grabbing it purposefully or accidentally it 100% is a good shoot. This will be proven with the ballistic evidence.

If the officer kneeling was the one and he accidentally squeezed a round off while fighting the guy, it's likely not a good shoot, although a little more of a grey area (think you might or might not be covered by law, but you are paying off his family civilly by a lot and getting fired and 50/50 on grand jury stuff)

If the officer standing was the one who fired the first shot by mistake, he's done....100% illegal and he should be fired and prosecuted
 
@Rickyvol77 thus is where I’m coming from. The only questions I have for the agents are who discharged your firearms. Turn them over for ballistics matching.

And no appvol the video doesn’t support the tweet content.

ETA : skilled training …. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! 🤣🤣🤣
absolutely ...and they will lthey will know who fired what and when with that report..
 
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Certainly they are.

Doesn’t allow the individual to make threatening remarks while possibly drawing his weapon, without consequences.

The individual who received the lead injection today, may have prevented it had he used common sense prior to leaving the house.
Lead injection, man you're so tough. It's sad that you've already decided who's right and wrong before you know squat about what happened. 'While possibly drawing his weapon' and you've already decided he deserved it.
 
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I don't disagree but we haven't seen an American gestapo on our streets in my lifetime. Nor have I seen an American president openly antagonize, openly bully and overtly threaten military action against our allies.

Trump fans the flames of division to his benefit and to our detriment in a manner I haven't seen in my lifetime.

There is no equivalency here with prior administrations, again, at least in my lifetime, democrat or republican.

You weren’t alive in the 90s?
 
What are you calling "basically the same BS?"

Democrats built the vehicle. **** 'em. But IDK what compares to this. What conservative city was overrun with federal agents (and national guard) in the Biden or Obama admin?
Are you not aware that all blue cities and states cooperated with ICE back then because Dems at that time wanted to deport all illegals
 

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