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McDad said:
I feel you're falling for PR here.

What do you consider restrained?
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I watched the video... Given I was watching the correct guy as they had 2 on the ground... The one that got for sure sprayed.. Was twisting under the agents while they were still trying to restrain him.. The guy walks over 1 second spurt to the face and the guy stopped .. Now when you considered being surrounded by rioters and being attacked sporadically... It's justified for compliance and safety of both the agents and person being detained.
 
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EasternVol said:
That doesn't follow. The Bolsheviks, Marxist communists, purged those who weren't Marxist communist. They didn't purge Marxist communists as policy. If the Nazis were really socialists then why did they purge all socialists as policy (and later sent them to the camps)? It's because they weren't really socialists.

And capitalists. Where / who / what were Russia's Krupp et al?
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You're moving the goalposts.

Your logic was that the fascists opposed socialists, so they must be right-wing. That's what doesn't follow.

First, it's an excluded middle fallacy. Second, it would make Communists right-wing. They are an example that opposing rival left-wing ideologies does not make you right-wing.
 
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GAVol said:
I don't get it. Anti law enforcement doesn't seem like a place to be in an election year.
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That seems to be the new Democrat party--triple down the kooky fringe issues, on the side that only appeals to about 10% of the population. Lose. Blame the "messaging" that the idiots and the racist/fascists can't seem to understand.

Trump can be as boorish and petty as he likes as long as the alternative are for chaos, lawlessness, fraud, and chemically castrating kids.
 
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whodeycin85 said:
I watched the video... Given I was watching the correct guy as they had 2 on the ground... The one that got for sure sprayed.. Was twisting under the agents while they were still trying to restrain him.. The guy walks over 1 second spurt to the face and the guy stopped .. Now when you considered being surrounded by rioters and being attacked sporadically... It's justified for compliance and safety of both the agents and person being detained.
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You don't find him as fully restrained in that moment?
 
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Orange_Crush said:
You're moving the goalposts.

Your logic was that the fascists opposed socialists, so they must be right-wing. That's what doesn't follow.

First, it's an excluded middle fallacy. Second, it would make Communists right-wing. They are an example that opposing rival left-wing ideologies does not make you right-wing.
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I said the fascists opposing socialists is a strong indicator that they're not socialists. But we already knew that.
 
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McDad said:
You don't find him as fully restrained in that moment?
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It gets pretty chaotic at the mesh point between "restrained" and "in custody".

Imagine wrestling (you probably did this back in your youth even if just goofing around with friends) and once you were in an advantageous position and had them pretty much locked down at that point you'd have some variation of tapping out. So what happens if that's not the case? Imagine if pretty much all parties know at that point there's no tapping out and the moment the other person gets even a little wiggle room they're going to do anything they can possibly do to mess you up. Until you have managed some degree of actual control (you're no longer as concerned about your safety) just having them restrained in the moment is actually unfinished business.

Just for funsies imagine something happened with McRib, too much gamma radiation, whatever. Anyway she goes full on crazed Evil Dead whackadoodle. She is no kidding committed to clawing your eyes and pulling your carotid arteries out with her teeth. (like, way more than usual) You manage to get her pinned down, "restrained" as it were, but now what? While she's thrashing around threatening to eat your soul and destroy all your Vol swag there is nothing about the scenario where she is in any way "subdued".

I'm not trying to address any particular incident but restrained is only a precursor to subdued/in custody. There can actually be a fair amount of mayhem between the two. I think it better for everyone if reasonable and deliberate thought goes into getting from one to the other but it can, and often does, get messy.
 
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whodeycin85 said:
I don't...I think it looks bad and it being used to get an emotional response.. But IMO it's was necessary in that environment and at that point. Btw this opinion comes from working at prison, where so we had was a spray.,
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If the person isn't fully restrained, that changes the standard of what is / isn't appropriate. I think getting to a point of legitimate restraint efficiently is imperative for the safety of the officers AND the person being restrained.
With that said, how many officers are required to adequately restrain someone before cuffs or other restraints are applied?
 
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McDad said:
If the person isn't fully restrained, that changes the standard of what is / isn't appropriate. I think getting to a point of legitimate restraint efficiently is imperative for the safety of the officers AND the person being restrained.
With that said, how many officers are required to adequately restrain someone before cuffs or other restraints are applied?
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There have been incidents where "fully restrained and cuffed" suspects have attacked, injured and even killed officers before, but again every incident is one onto its own as well
 
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