Too much ice

[theFallGuy]

 

[Orange_Crush]

Can anyone explain how so many people from an African country on the Arabian sea end up in cold weather states?

Did they go there because they knew liberal policies in those states would allow them to get away with fraud and criminal activity?

Dems bussed them in.

 

[DinkinFlicka]

yes SOME industrialists did thrive, and they had to comply with the Nazi requirements, no Jews, no imports, meet quotas and so forth, or else get temporarily nationalized so that you could be given over to a Nazi corporation.

It wasn't ALL pre-Nazi-German industrialists who profited under the Nazis. it wasn't even the pre Nazi non-Jewish german industrialists who profited under the Nazis. it was the pro-Nazi industrialists who profited. the distinction on who profited wasn't industrialist/non industrialist that you would see in a corporate far right state. the distinction was Nazi/non Nazi on who profited as you would see in a socialist state- but yes not full blown communist.

the Nazis are only "far right" compared to the communists. but that doesn't actually make them far right, they are still way way way left of center.

I've always thought that the ideological balance lives in a circle rather than a straight line. Autocracy and far right authoritarianism are just a few clicks away from each other.

 

[appvol]

 

[General Jack]

Its working! More shiny objects!

 

[85SugarVol]

We should adopt some of Singapore's law enforcement practices. That would shut down the looney leftists' riots and temper tantrums.

U.S. teen caned in Singapore - UPI Archives

American teenager Michael Fay, imprisoned in Singapore for vandalizing cars, was flogged Thursday with four strokes of a bamboo cane, a controversial...

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[Carl Pickens]

Look at those people. They’re unhinged bag and cat ladies with liberals arts degrees.

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

Dems bussed them in.

I thought Joe Biden flew them in during the dark
of night where nobody could see it going on.

 

[tim]

I thought Joe Biden flew them in during the dark
of night where nobody could see it going on.

Both actually

 

[theFallGuy]

Wild he got an award working for Obama in same position. My how times change

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[W.TN.Orange Blood]

Both actually

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

Good. Kick him to the curb for promoting more violence on ICE agents.

 

[KB5252]

Good. Kick him to the curb for promoting more violence on ICE agents.

Men like this are stoking fires from a safe place knowing someone else will pay the price to advance pointless agendas.

Left, right middle ......... Everyone should demand better of their politicians. I don't recognize my country anymore. The fringe on both sides are way too comfortable and wield way to much leverage.

 

[n_huffhines]

This is America, the land of masked federal agents

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[EasternVol]

Yes, that "dogma" you keep appealing to.

Dogma as in definition.

See my most recent (and likely future) post(s) on the matter. From contemporary descriptions, it was a socialist/collectivist, centrally controlled economy--little different from Communism in practice, with "private industry" and "personal property" rights in name only. And the descriptions make it VERY clear that the Nazi/Fascists were in complete power. The funny thing is that the brutal totalitarian nature of the ideology was the mechanism by which the "collectivist" parts of the ideals were inforced.

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Did you notice those last two paragraphs?

The irony is that your claims appear to be just the opposite of contemporary testimony. You say that they claimed to be socialist, but were lying. It would appear, to the contrary, that any claim of right-leaning principals were lies. Again, they feigned right-leaning ideals, but used their totalitarian control to enforce a state-directed, collectivist economy with the state blatantly controlling production, and their actions proving no real existence of private property rights.

I said Mussolini was lying. I said the Nazis were socialist in name only. The Nazis made it clear early on that they weren't socialist.
Their economy wasn't based on collectivism though so it wasn't a collectivist economy.
Capitalists for the most part maintained their capital and kept their profits. The exceptions were 'enemies of the state' and those who couldn't stay afloat under wartime production rules.

 

[EasternVol]

that doesn't really say what you think its saying. throughout it points out that the industries reported to the Nazis, never the other way around.

That's an odd comment since I didn't comment on it and you have no idea that I think it says anything other than what it says.

"During the era of the Great Depression in 1932, the German state held majority stakes within conglomerates such as Gelsenkirchener Bergwerks,"

"Additionally, banks such as Danat Bank and Dresdner Bank were merged and nationalized"

That's before Hitler became Chancellor.

"A key tenet of the Nazi economy after 1936 was a policy of autarky, or self-sufficiency, deemed as necessary for a war economy and promoted by Adolf Hitler and Hermann Göring under the Four Year-Plan."

"Raw materials needed for war include rubber, iron, and fuel, all of which was requested by the Nazi regime towards industrialists and corporations who obliged, save for Ruhr manufacturers who initially opposed Hermann Göring’s demands due to a lack of economic viability." you think those other industrialists were going along with policy that lacked economic viability because they were industrialists, or because they were Nazis?

"Therefore, businesses which could not fulfill Nazi economic policy were nationalized, while those which could accomplish Nazi objectives willingly collaborated as a return of the favor from re-privatization, as well as lucrative prospects via rearmament."

"Ferdinand Porsche was one such industrialist who willingly supported the Nazis in fulfilling their plans and goals. Porsche, a Czech automotive engineer who became a member of the Nazi Party in 1937, was ordered by Hitler to create a “people’s car” (Volkswagen), promoted via the Strength through Joy (KdF) campaign to garner working class support." what the industrialists who worked with Hitler were Nazis? Who has been pointing that out I wonder?

"Considering that the Nazi economy was primarily devoted to war and rearmament, Nazi control over corporations loosened, but corporations and conglomerates still did the bidding of the state."

"The previously mentioned ousting of Jews in the workplace took place on November 12, 1938, with Jewish-owned and operated businesses liquidated and nationalized while Jewish managers were fired (Stackelberg and Winkle, document 4.13d)."

"In conclusion, National Socialism would not have been as possible without the complicity, forced or otherwise, of industry and big business. The reality is that many German and international corporations fulfilled Nazi wishes, including persecution, exploitation, and genocide of the Jews and other “racially undesirable” peoples. "

no where does it state, or even begin to suggest, that Nazi Germany was a corporate state. its says throughout that industrialists who chose to work with the Nazis were rewarded, largely the party members; and those who didn't were forcibly closed.

The Nazis didn't work with all industrialists. they worked with the industrialists who aligned with their policy. Nazi>Industrialist.

even when they talk about privatizing certain aspects it was to Nazis/Nazi aligned, not just to industrialists.

Who said Nazi Germany was a corporate state? Corporatism was more a Mussolini model. The Nazi government was in charge, they and most industrialists cooperated, capitalists kept their capital and profit, and the whole arrangement was Fascist and hence rightist.

 

[EasternVol]

it would be more like saying Genghis Kahn was just a blood thirsty warlord. ignoring the reform policies and empire building he did.

as I said earlier, you are oversimplifying to make your argument.

It's a simple question. Was GK aggressive or not? Yes. He wasn't passive. Is Fascism Rightist? Yes. It's not Leftist.

 

[EasternVol]

You said it had passed. Just having been introduced is far from passed. It's not even gone to committee.

 

[EasternVol]

Why did ICE hit them with flash bangs and gas again?

 

[appvol]

Why did ICE hit them with flash bangs and gas again?

Because they were at a protest with their kids left in the car and when they were leaving the protesters got violent. Sounds like they should of been at home with the kids not protesting

 

[appvol]

Here’s a little more

 

[Orange_Crush]

Dogma as in definition.

As in an appeal to the authority of a commonly held opinion (often put forth as authoritative without adequate grounds)?

Did you notice those last two paragraphs?

Did you notice any of the others? It was literally a centrally planned economy with no private property rights.

I said Mussolini was lying. I said the Nazis were socialist in name only. The Nazis made it clear early on that they weren't socialist.

The economist that lived through it said that it was capitalist in name only.



Having literally stated that in practice, it was little different than communism.



It was a collectivist ideology, full stop.

 

[rekinhavoc]

 

[Rickyvol77]

Why did ICE hit them with flash bangs and gas again?

Because their vehicle of kids that they left unattended was parked behind the group of protestors as they joined. So when ICE threw flash bangs and OC at the violent crowd, their vehicle was in the line of fire.

Surprising that you can't trust an actual murderer on the real story huh?