Too much ice

[volbeast33]

nope. He could have easily avoided shooting her in the face.

She could have easily avoided getting shot in the face.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Oh, look. The "no borders" crowd is creating borders again.

 

[Orange_Crush]

1-16.000 - Department of Justice Policy On Use Of Force

www.justice.gov

Seems significant.......

Firearms may not be discharged solely to disable moving vehicles. Specifically, firearms may not be discharged at a moving vehicle unless: (1) a person in the vehicle is threatening the officer or another person with deadly force by means other than the vehicle; or (2) the vehicle is operated in a manner that threatens to cause death or serious physical injury to the officer or others, and no other objectively reasonable means of defense appear to exist, which includes moving out of the path of the vehicle.

I posted an attny's video about that.

 

[Orange_Crush]

When agitators show up and first berate you and then hit you with their car. Yeah, I think he reasonably may have feared for his life.

They are leaving out the fact that the situation must be judged by the totality of circumstances without hindsight. His actions must be judged by the second or so he had to react. If this were Austin Powers, and a slow steam roller was inching toward him from 20 yards away, the "other options" argument would hold up. If he's 2 feet from the vehicle and she guns it... That is what's judged, without attributing to him our benefit of hindsight.

I posted an attny's video about the very statutes they are relying on.

There are people in here that want him to be a murderer because it fits their narrative and agenda. The poor girl is dead; she might as well get out of it what she wanted to give her death meaning.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Their aggression towards him, effects his mindset and how he would perceive their actions.

Pretending it doesn’t matter is a complete joke. If they had waived and handed out cookies, it would obviously effect how their actions were perceived

This is the same group that immediately defended her gunning the vehicle into a federal agent because a DIFFERENT federal agent had just cursed at her in an unfriendly voice while telling her to get out of the car.

Think about who you're trying to have a good-faith discussion with.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Missed opportunity for one of these runs I haven't seen in awhile.

I'm not your "pal" friend
I'm not your "friend" bro
I'm not your "bro"...you get the idea

I'm not your idea, Plato!

 

[Rickyvol77]

Didn't pass this test either....

1. Deadly force should not be used against persons whose actions are a threat solely to themselves or property unless an individual poses an imminent danger of death or serious physical injury to the officer or others in close proximity.

Getting hit by a car is widely considered to be imminent danger of death/serious physical injury...it's an open and shut case

 

[Rickyvol77]

So you believe he was in fear for his life and had no other options?

That's not the standard

 

[Rickyvol77]

please
He literally positioned himself in front of her car and could have literally easily moved out of the way.
Literally!!!

You guys act as if he was 100 years old, blind, and crippled.
Jesus Christ man

He walked around the car twice and stopped and she looked at him in the eyes and gunned the engine, hitting him

 

[Rickyvol77]

Not nearly as absurd as the claim that he was in fear for his life with no other option.

He doesn't have to have "other options" more weasel words from you

 

[FLVOL_79]

Hey, I'm consistent. If the Ashli Bobbitt killing was justified. This one was definitely justified, probably more so since she had a 4000# SUV as a weapon, Ashli Bobbitt had nothing.

You're probably right. Neither is a good look for either agency/group.

 

[Rickyvol77]

I think he was barely grazed by her car because he was playing some self-created macho version of chicken

So you admit she committed aggravated assault against him with a weapon? So now we are getting somewhere with your emotional illogical self

 

[Rickyvol77]

That is not all he needs. He had other options, like moving the hell out of the way.

You are ignorant of both constitutional law, self-defense and LEO training

 

[Rickyvol77]

That’s purely retarded. “He just wanted to see if he was man enough to get hit by a car!”-someone who educates your kids.

I hope you’re just a special ed student that they let hang around

Thankfully he and his prodigy won't ever have much influence on any normal children outside their city

 

[Rickyvol77]

I hope the child has a complete recovery.

We do see it differently, and we can both be reasonable in those views....you are right in that regard.

My default in the PF has always been to counterbalance the extreme rightwing nonsense with the opposite. I still believe that that serves a purpose, but I need to do a better job of checking myself.

"counterbalance" you think everyone who isn't left of Stalin is an "extreme rightwinger" and at least you finally admit you aren't "rational and reasonable" at all, just emotionally tied to your feelz as a typical party line cultist

 

[Rickyvol77]

She didn't choose violence.

She absolutely chose violence.

1) intentionally interfering with federal LE agency as part of a left-wing group known for violent tactics, which is a felony
2) committing a felony by resisting arrest
3) intentionally assaulting an officer with the vehicle committing at least two other felonies

Her actions chose her ending

 

[rekinhavoc]

Minnesota ICE shooting video corroborates what Feds said: Gregg Jarrett | Fox News Video

Fox News legal analyst Gregg Jarrett analyzes newly released bodycam footage from the I.C.E.-related shooting in Minneapolis on ‘Hannity.’

www.foxnews.com

 

[Rickyvol77]

No she didn't........let's not go back and forth with this more than 8 more times.

This is a 100% proven fact.

She looked right at him and hit him with the car...there is no argument of this.

Now if you want to debate intent sure, but you have no idea what she was thinking, we only have her actions

 

[Rickyvol77]

No she didn't. She would have done none of those things had she thought there was even a moderate probability that it would end in violence.

LOL luther is psychic now and can channel the thoughts of a fellow leftist

 

[swampfoxfan]

View attachment 805518

That you would support a peaceful mother of three over a hate filled assassin speaks volumes about your illness.

 

[rekinhavoc]

CNN's Moore: I Now Think Minneapolis ICE Shooting 'Likely a Legally Justified Shooting'

On Friday's broadcast of CNN's "The Story Is," CNN Law Enforcement Contributor Steve Moore stated that the new video of the shooting by ICE in Minneapolis | Clips

www.breitbart.com

On Friday’s broadcast of CNN’s “The Story Is,” CNN Law Enforcement Contributor Steve Moore stated that the new video of the shooting by ICE in Minneapolis “leads me to believe that this was likely a legally justified shooting” and while he wasn’t ready to say whether or not the shooting was a justified shooting before the video, he now believes “a reasonable investigation will find that the officer was within the deadly force policy.”

 

[Rickyvol77]

The action continuum contains a few things between doing nothing and shooting someone multiple times in the face.

LOL you don't have to go up the use of force continuum one at a time. You really need to educate yourself on it

 

[Rickyvol77]

If you really want to rustle jimmies, you should lead with "Look here, bitch."

Ok Boomer, my brother in Christ

 

[Rickyvol77]

Have you or her gone through a certification course that determines an acceptable level of hitting someone with a car so as not to endanger their life?

These idiots need to attend a citizen's police academy...They wouldn't last in any scenario on a FATS Machine

 

[Rickyvol77]

I actually teach one. So it would be safe to consider me the resident expert.

HAHAH you are so FOS