Too much ice

[luthervol]

This is one of the many reasons no one takes you seriously around here.

For stating the obvious truth?

I guess claiming to not take it seriously is the easiest cop-out.

 

[utvolpj]

It looked like they were asking him/them if they were legal, and one tried to flee. If you don't want to be apprehended, don't flee law enforcement. These are pretty simple life principles, similar to "don't fry bacon naked" and "don't answer, 'It's not the pants that make your butt look big'".

The person is under no obligation to stick around if not being detained/arrested. That's a simple life principle

That video is a horrible look for ice especially since the one in the vest was a citizen

 

[Orange_Crush]

For stating the obvious truth?

Shall we discuss "truth"? You misuse that word like a dull knife, then flee when I try to discuss the concept with you, my premier primate.

I guess claiming to not take it seriously is the easiest cop-out.

You. It's you that few take seriously. Not "it".

You.

 

[luthervol]

It looked like they were asking him/them if they were legal, and one tried to flee. If you don't want to be apprehended, don't flee law enforcement. These are pretty simple life principles, similar to "don't fry bacon naked" and "don't answer, 'It's not the pants that make your butt look big'".

Trying to flee by slowly walking backwards into a Target??????????

come on man, you have to be pulling some muscles with that type of unnatural stretch.

 

[Orange_Crush]

The person is under no obligation to stick around if not being detained/arrested. That's a simple life principle

That video is a horrible look for ice especially since the one in the vest was a citizen

Was the agent not asking him if he were legal? I'll go back and re-watch it.

 

[allstar34]

Told all you dip$#its before they started doing it. They made a mockery of due process from day 1 and now the federal government is at war with its own citizens using authoritarian rhetoric like "one of ours, all of yours" and a use of force that backs up all of this. Can't wait until the dems hold this powerful vehicle of opression Trump built for them. Will they be even more destructive with it?

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This guy is all of us right now.

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Good luck, you better start registering more voters.
The country is far better off with a Republican in control and the people know that.

 

[utvolpj]

Was the agent not asking him if he were legal? I'll go back and re-watch it.

How are they obligated to answer that question? It sounded like they provided the proper answer many times

 

[luthervol]

Shall we discuss "truth"? You misuse that word like a dull knife, then flee when I try to discuss the concept with you, my premier primate.



You. It's you that few take seriously. Not "it".

You.

What is "it"? What I say? lol.....still trying to stretch your way out of looking silly?

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Good luck, you better start importing more voters.
The country is far better off with a Republican in control and the people know that.

Fixed it for you

 

[Orange_Crush]

What is "it"? What I say? lol.....still trying to stretch your way out of looking silly?

Are you suffering head trauma? Seriously. You're making absolutely no sense. At all. I was very clear in what I said and meant. It's incredibly unbecoming when you try this retreat-tactic of diverting from the discussion at hand and trying to put others on the defensive.

But I'll help. Your malleable moral code demonizes your "opponents" for things you excuse in your team. When called on it, you try to find a way to excuse your team by blaming their actions on your opponents.

Few people take you seriously.

 

[Orange_Crush]

How are they obligated to answer that question? It sounded like they provided the proper answer many times

When a federal officer says, "Come talk to me (1:28)", stop and talk to them.

If a police officer stopped you on the street and said, "Come here", and you sprinted, he'd tackle you with every defendable probably cause.

 

[utvolpj]

When a federal officer says, "Come talk to me (1:28)", stop and talk to them.

Maybe it's a smarter choice but it's not the requirement.

Again, you can't walk up to a citizen and demand they identify themselves without something else going on (being brown doesn't count)

 

[Orange_Crush]

Maybe it's a smarter choice but it's not the requirement.

Again, you can't walk up to a citizen and demand they identify themselves without something else going on (being brown doesn't count)

I added to my reply.

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If a police officer stopped you on the street and said, "Come here", and you sprinted, he'd tackle you with every defendable probably cause.

Running from a federal agent is probably probable cause reasonable suspicion to detain.

Edited to add:

 

[utvolpj]

When a federal officer says, "Come talk to me (1:28)", stop and talk to them.

If a police officer stopped you on the street and said, "Come here", and you sprinted, he'd tackle you with every defendable probably cause.

With nothing else going on? He likely couldn't legally

 

[tim]

Be sure to follow up and report how many they snagged by throwing flashbangs into cars full of black kids.

I'm serious. If this is the reason for all of this, then they better catch a **** ton of these guys, and soon.

I know you’re slow and carrying the dem talking points but if not for the violent riots they wouldn’t have been caught up in the melee. Also, true to form, you lied. No flashbangs were thrown into cars.

 

[utvolpj]

Was the agent not asking him if he were legal? I'll go back and re-watch it.

Sure but what is the requirement for a citizen to answer? If I get asked that on the street by ice I'd give the same response they did

 

[Orange_Crush]

With nothing else going on? He likely couldn't legally

Again, I added to my response. It would seem that simply running from law enforcement gives them the reasonable suspicion to detain you.

 

[hog88]

And what exactly made it legal?
That he had a reasonable belief that his life was in danger?
The video makes that look much less "reasonable".

You accelerate towards a LEO, he has the legal right to shoot your dumbazz especially if you hit him. Don't like it, work to change the laws.

 

[Orange_Crush]

Sure but what is the requirement for a citizen to answer? If I get asked that on the street by ice is give the same response they did

They can probably detain you until they get their answers. It would seem that if you fled, they'd have reasonable suspicion to apprehend you.

 

[utvolpj]

Again, I added to my response. It would seem that simply running from law enforcement gives them the reasonable suspicion to detain you.

No one in the video appeared to be running. Unless detained you are not obligated to interact with police. They can't claim every interaction is part of some massive investigation

 

[hog88]

Maybe it's a smarter choice but it's not the requirement.

Again, you can't walk up to a citizen and demand they identify themselves without something else going on (being brown doesn't count)

Depends on the state, some states are stop and identify.

 

[utvolpj]

They can probably detain you until they get their answers. It would seem that if you fled, they'd have reasonable suspicion to apprehend you.

No they can't. If in walk away they can do nothing. There's no requirement to answer and identify without other factors

 

[tim]

No they can't. If in walk away they can do nothing. There's no requirement to answer and identify without other factors

Other factors is very broad

 

[utvolpj]

Depends on the state, some states are stop and identify.

I believe those still require some reasonable suspicion

 

[utvolpj]

Other factors is very broad

Fairly confident being brown doesn't count. I know it upsets meant police but citizens still have a few rights left