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EasternVol said:
That's a third grader's view of our system of government. Don't forget our safeguards of minority rights.
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Of course minority rights are central. But the filibuster is nowhere in the Constitution. It is a gentleman’s agreement established by consensus. When one side continuously and obstinately refuses to allow the majority to implement policies that the voters have called for; then the basis of the agreement is broken.
The democrats are holding all of DHS hostage over demands relating to an agency they have already funded (ICE). They lost that fight and are now trying to relitigate an issue they have already lost into a current disagreement. That is not the way the game was meant to be played.
The current votes have absolutely no bearing on ICE. So fund TSA and the rest of DHS and try and make changes to ICE when THAT budget comes up again.
 
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EasternVol said:
Why pay tax dollars to put them somewhere almost 100% certain to be free of illegals?
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Because the democrats have created a crisis in TSA and this is triage. When a patient is bleeding out you call in help from anywhere you can get it.
You don’t want ICE in airports? Then fund TSA so ICE can go back to its normal job.
 
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utvolpj said:
I never said she would. You're the one pretending the current admin is doing so well for the American people.
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I wouldn’t say they are doing well. They are (or were) doing adequate. If the Iran situation doesn’t get wrapped up quickly then they have done real harm.
Destroying Iranian leadership was a great idea; but doing so without apparently having planned for and laid the groundwork for an Iranian uprising to replace them was a roll of the dice gamble.
Breaking things is one thing. But wisdom is having a plan to fix them afterwards is vital.
 
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“You want to bring a tactical force into an environment where you’re required to have customer service and skill set, a mindset, where you know what you’re doing, how to identify something that might be suspicious — they don’t have that training,” said Hydrick Thomas, president of the AFGE TSA Council 100 and of AFGE Local 2222, which covers New York and New Jersey airports.

“You go, right now, and ICE is walking around in the front of the terminal and the checkpoint, and a passenger walks up and says, ‘Excuse me, can you tell me how to get to Terminal 4?’ … They have no clue how to give you the right direction to get there,” Thomas said. “You wind up in the parking lot area, the same place you left from, because he was giving the wrong direction. Now, you missed the plane.”

“For them to have them come in, knowing that they’re collecting a per diem check and hotels, to come to these airports while officers are not receiving a paycheck is also, you know, I feel like it’s waste,” said Aaron Barker, president of AFGE Local 554, which covers airports in Georgia.

“It’s a waste of money that could have been coming into officers’ bank accounts,” he added.

He also pushed back on claims from the Trump administration that ICE officers helped ease lines at Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport, which were shorter Tuesday than over the weekend.


Barker noted that Tuesday and Wednesday are “nonpeak days,” so it’s expected that lines would be shorter, particularly in Atlanta, which he described as an “entertainment hub” that draws heavier weekend travel.

“It has nothing to do with ICE presence being there. The ICE officers in Atlanta are not doing any screening functions. They are literally standing behind the officers while they’re checking documents and screening passengers or walking the queue line that cascades through the airport,” he said.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:

“You want to bring a tactical force into an environment where you’re required to have customer service and skill set, a mindset, where you know what you’re doing, how to identify something that might be suspicious — they don’t have that training,” said Hydrick Thomas, president of the AFGE TSA Council 100 and of AFGE Local 2222, which covers New York and New Jersey airports.

“You go, right now, and ICE is walking around in the front of the terminal and the checkpoint, and a passenger walks up and says, ‘Excuse me, can you tell me how to get to Terminal 4?’ … They have no clue how to give you the right direction to get there,” Thomas said. “You wind up in the parking lot area, the same place you left from, because he was giving the wrong direction. Now, you missed the plane.”

“For them to have them come in, knowing that they’re collecting a per diem check and hotels, to come to these airports while officers are not receiving a paycheck is also, you know, I feel like it’s waste,” said Aaron Barker, president of AFGE Local 554, which covers airports in Georgia.

“It’s a waste of money that could have been coming into officers’ bank accounts,” he added.

He also pushed back on claims from the Trump administration that ICE officers helped ease lines at Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport, which were shorter Tuesday than over the weekend.


Barker noted that Tuesday and Wednesday are “nonpeak days,” so it’s expected that lines would be shorter, particularly in Atlanta, which he described as an “entertainment hub” that draws heavier weekend travel.

“It has nothing to do with ICE presence being there. The ICE officers in Atlanta are not doing any screening functions. They are literally standing behind the officers while they’re checking documents and screening passengers or walking the queue line that cascades through the airport,” he said.
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I don't see why the ICE officers couldn't be checking IDs and boarding passes along with directing people to security lines and telling them to take the stuff out of their pockets? That takes minimal training and would free up TSA personnel to run the scanners and do the searches.

Probably a union thing preventing it.
 
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hog88 said:
I don't see why the ICE officers couldn't be checking IDs and boarding passes along with directing people to security lines and telling them to take the stuff out of their pockets? That takes minimal training and would free up TSA personnel to run the scanners and do the searches.

Probably a union thing preventing it.
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I don't know, hog. I am routinely amazed at the technical brilliance of sitting at a checkpoint as I scan my boarding pass for them to visually compare to my ID. The proficiency and experience required to tell people which line is open and what to put into the plastic bins is also impressive. But coup de graz is the knowledge illustrated by the person waving people into the body scanner and then pointing where to stand for the one second as they verify the scan looks good.

Imagine the untrained layperson attempting such intensive aspects of the job.
 
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OrangeTsar said:
Of course minority rights are central. But the filibuster is nowhere in the Constitution. It is a gentleman’s agreement established by consensus. When one side continuously and obstinately refuses to allow the majority to implement policies that the voters have called for; then the basis of the agreement is broken.
The democrats are holding all of DHS hostage over demands relating to an agency they have already funded (ICE). They lost that fight and are now trying to relitigate an issue they have already lost into a current disagreement. That is not the way the game was meant to be played.
The current votes have absolutely no bearing on ICE. So fund TSA and the rest of DHS and try and make changes to ICE when THAT budget comes up again.
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One party? Now now, two parties have used it when it's been to their benefit.
 
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OrangeTsar said:
Because the democrats have created a crisis in TSA and this is triage. When a patient is bleeding out you call in help from anywhere you can get it.
You don’t want ICE in airports? Then fund TSA so ICE can go back to its normal job.
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If you're doing triage you put resources where they're most effective, not least effective.
 
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McDad said:
I don't know, hog. I am routinely amazed at the technical brilliance of sitting at a checkpoint as I scan my boarding pass for them to visually compare to my ID. The proficiency and experience required to tell people which line is open and what to put into the plastic bins is also impressive. But coup de graz is the knowledge illustrated by the person waving people into the body scanner and then pointing where to stand for the one second as they verify the scan looks good.

Imagine the untrained layperson attempting such intensive aspects of the job.
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Those TSA agents must go through minutes of intensive training for those jobs.
 
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EasternVol said:
More like hours or even days, with lunch and smoke breaks. There are a lot of little things, so they say. For example, the color codes on the scanner displays.
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We weren’t talking about analyzing the data from the scanners. I’m sure that takes at least an hour’s training.
 
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McDad said:
I don't know, hog. I am routinely amazed at the technical brilliance of sitting at a checkpoint as I scan my boarding pass for them to visually compare to my ID. The proficiency and experience required to tell people which line is open and what to put into the plastic bins is also impressive. But coup de graz is the knowledge illustrated by the person waving people into the body scanner and then pointing where to stand for the one second as they verify the scan looks good.

Imagine the untrained layperson attempting such intensive aspects of the job.
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hog88 said:
Those TSA agents must go through minutes of intensive training for those jobs.
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The majority of the "work" could be completely automated.

Japan could completely transform airport "security process" if we would let them.

But machines don't need unions which funnel money to politicians, so eff Americans, right?
 
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hog88 said:
I don't see why the ICE officers couldn't be checking IDs and boarding passes along with directing people to security lines and telling them to take the stuff out of their pockets? That takes minimal training and would free up TSA personnel to run the scanners and do the searches.

Probably a union thing preventing it.
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If they’re gonna be there that’s about the minimum they should be doing. Basically right now they’re in the way and getting paid to just be in the way while the people actually working aren’t getting paid and it’s obviously pissing the actual workers off. I don’t blame them either. But hey at least they haven’t shot anybody yet!
 
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McDad said:
The majority of the "work" could be completely automated.

Japan could completely transform airport "security process" if we would let them.

But machines don't need unions which funnel money to politicians, so eff Americans, right?
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Er, Japan could automate it if they wanted to but they haven't. I don't think we tell them what to do there. To their credit the process there has been much more efficient and passenger friendly for the last 25 years than it's been in the US.
 
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EasternVol said:
Er, Japan could automate it if they wanted to but they haven't. I don't think we tell them what to do there. To their credit the process there has been much more efficient and passenger friendly for the last 25 years than it's been in the US.
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So put Chick-Fil-A in charge...those people know how to move lines.
 
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EasternVol said:
Er, Japan could automate it if they wanted to but they haven't. I don't think we tell them what to do there. To their credit the process there has been much more efficient and passenger friendly for the last 25 years than it's been in the US.
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Uhm, I'm saying Japan could automate our "security process" if we wanted them to.

I'm not discussing Japan's security process.
 
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McDad said:
The majority of the "work" could be completely automated.

Japan could completely transform airport "security process" if we would let them.

But machines don't need unions which funnel money to politicians, so eff Americans, right?
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I don't think the actual TSA agents do much except direct passengers and inspect the bags the machines tell them to. So yeah, it could all be automated and just have some Wal-Mart greeter directing traffic.
 
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hog88 said:
I don't think the actual TSA agents do much except direct passengers and inspect the bags the machines tell them to. So yeah, it could all be automated and just have some Wal-Mart greeter directing traffic.
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I’m 100% on board with doing away with TSA today. But that isn’t currently an option and they are the ones holding up travel. And ICE presence is useless and not helping at all it seems.
 
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Anybody here been in the TSA lines lately?

We drove to our cruise port but fly out of BNA in May for another trip.
 
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