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She was speeding. I agree with you on that. In this case, I would actually agree that if you were going to hand out a ticket, this would be the situation and time to do it.

All I said was is anyone really surprised at her reaction that an unmarked cop car would cross lanes of traffic and speed behind her (endangering not just kids but other drivers as well) to hand her this ticket?

Did the stop occur in the speed zone or outside of it? Were his warning lights on when he crossed the lanes? Did he make sure the traffic was clear before moving? Was there an accident caused by him pursuing her?

Is there really any reason for her to say the things she did? Or for you to even entertain defending her actions?

There is no way you are that ****ed in the head.
 
Did the stop occur in the speed zone or outside of it? Were his warning lights on when he crossed the lanes? Did he make sure the traffic was clear before moving? Was there an accident caused by him pursuing her?

Is there really any reason for her to say the things she did? Or for you to even entertain defending her actions?

There is no way you are that ****ed in the head.

Did you see this?

Free Beer and Hot Wings: Surgeon Pulled Over, Threatens To Let Police Bleed Out If They're On His Operating Table (Video)
 
Officer Who Arrested James Blake Has History of Force Complaints

In 2012, a Queens man said, Officer James Frascatore pulled him over for a broken taillight, opened his car door and punched him three times in the mouth, unprovoked.

The following year, another Queens resident claimed, Officer Frascatore punched him in the stomach several times outside a bodega and called him a racial epithet.

Officer Frascatore and two other police officers followed Mr. Diggs as he rode his bike home from a bodega at night, and then stopped him in his driveway and asked for identification, Mr. Diggs said on Friday.

When he began walking into his home to get it, an officer grabbed him from behind while Officer Frascatore punched him in his right temple, Mr. Diggs said. He collapsed, and then Officer Frascatore threw himself down on his legs and continued to pummel him.

“I’m getting hit all on my side and my back,” said Mr. Diggs, 39, a handyman. “I’m screaming for my wife to come outside then I just start screaming, ‘Help!’ ”

Another officer sprayed Mace into his face. The officer who grabbed him hooked a forearm around his neck and began to choke him, he said. “I’m saying: ‘I can’t breathe! I can’t breathe!’ ” Mr. Diggs recalled.

Mr. Diggs was charged with marijuana possession and resisting arrest, he said. His wife was charged with tampering with evidence when she took his bicycle inside the house. He said their daughter, then 12, and son, then 9, wept hysterically. Charges were eventually dismissed.

He gets assaulted in his front yard and gets charged with resisting arrest. Wow... reminds me of this scene...

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaQUjbc2-YU[/youtube]
 
How do you expect some people to react when a cop in an unmarked car chases you down (speeding) and hands you a ticket? That wouldn't necessarily be my reaction because cops tend to shoot black people, but I can understand her frustration. But hey, like the video says, he was just doing it for the kids I guess...

She was doing 30mph over the speed limit in a school zone, he complied with all her requests, she was begging for a warning and turned ugly when she didn't get her way.

How do I expect her to act? Maybe like an adult? You are way off on this one.
 
She was doing 30mph over the speed limit in a school zone, he complied with all her requests, she was begging for a warning and turned ugly when she didn't get her way.

How do I expect her to act? Maybe like an adult? You are way off on this one.

Did you miss the part where I said if you were going to give a ticket, this would be a case where it may be justified?
 
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Well, you whined I didn't make contributions to this thread.


Questioning the worth of your post certainly ≠ whining. In fact, your response...

I make plenty of good contributions.

You just ignore them like the child you are.


Is way closer to what I'd consider whining.

So I contributed and called you out on your thinly veiled hints of violence.


Yeah... My post were just begging for violence.

That's very encouraging to me. Not cause I want anyone to get hurt but because once that happens maybe they'll start leaving people the f*** alone.


And trust me... There's definitely a way to stop it. Now I'd love to see that happen without anybody getting as much as a stubbed toe. Unfortunately, politely asking fascist to not be fascist doesn't exactly have a strong track record throughout history. Unfortunately, once society has officially had enough there will most likely be quite a few LEO who have to learn that the hard way.


Here's where I state, for the 2nd time, that a non-violent resolution would be preferable.

At no point did I never say anything about killing anyone. I'm simply talking about starting to forcibly defend ourselves against an aggressor. What all it takes to defend ourselves would be totally up to the initial aggressor. Like I said in my post (that is if you wanna talk about the things I actually did said), I'd love it if we could get there without anyone stubbing a toe. I just assume if freedom is to ever be seen, it'll take a hell of a lot more than that. What that level of aggression is? When it happens (like I said may be tomorrow, may be 30 years, hell it may never happen) the amount of force it takes to get there will be totally up them.


And of course, you are in full backtrack mode because "that's not what I meant!

If pointing out that you simply made a bunch of s*** up is backtracking, then I'm guilty as charged. Otherwise I stand by everything I said and made absolutely no mention to the contrary.

Boo hoo, GV is being mean by interpreting my vague posts!


This appears to be one of your go-tos. I've done nothing that would even closely resemble whining, yet this is the second time (in this particular discussion you've done a dozen times in the past) you've thrown that one out there. I starting to wonder if you're maybe confused as to what it means.

Sorry dude, but your wording shouldn't have been that ambiguous if that's not what you "really" meant. But I'll stand by my original interpretation of what you said.

Nothing ambiguous about what I said. Police are losing support by the minute. Both individuals and and groups of bystanders are starting to defend themselves against police aggression and I'm encouraged by it. I've said several times more people should've used defensive violence to defend themselves against LE and though it should be an absolute last resort that includes putting half a magazine center-mass if they leave you no other option. Basically self defense only people lose their ability to critically think when the aggressor is a cop.

You then said that I was promoting murder and wanted a revolution. I have 3 little kids. A revolution is quite literally one of the last things I want to see.

Now... It doesn't hurt my feelings. I'm not "whining" and don't think you're "mean". But if you make a post packed full of exaggerations and strawmans, don't be surprised when it gets pointed out.

Oh, and I wouldn't be all that concerned about likes or the simpletons that like my posts. I mean, they like yours so there's no accounting for taste or intelligence.

I have this crazy feeling that it's not the same people liking both our posts. It's actually really simple to account for taste and intelligence. The people who like mine are smart and have good taste and the people who like yours are stupid and have bad taste**.

*I feel it's kinda stupid this even needs to be said, but that last comment was made in jest. I feel like that's obvious but I learned recently (after getting cussed out by my sister) my jokes/sarcasm are often not as obvious as I think they are.
 
And GV... In all seriousness your contribution to the thread is priceless. When it's just us "cop haters" in here having a circle jerk, it's kinda boring. I won't name names but one of the boot lickers that frequent the thread, I'd probably be better off talking with a frying pan (That's actually not a joke. I'm actually pretty serious there). JP or PJ, not sure which it is, can carry on an intelligent conversation but rarely posts

I know you hate me and probably want to punch me in the face, but even considering how chippy things can get I do enjoy the conversation. In fact, and I touched on this in the last post, I feel a lot of things I say in jest on here are taken seriously. I guess minus the tone of voice and body language, it doesn't always come across how I intend it to.
 
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I'll put it succinctly about the whole cop killing thing. It will not have the effect of making the others back of like you think. In fact, just the opposite. Instead of a routine traffic stop for whatever with Patrolman Smith walking up and making contact, everyone will become a threat. Everyone is a suspect even more so than you believe already. And in that, cops will be far more jumpy and, again, err on the side of caution by being far more aggressive than the situation warrants.

Most interactions tend to be reasonable affairs minus the selected minority posted here. But that can, and will, change quickly of cops start getting killed on a regular basis.
 
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I'll put it succinctly about the whole cop killing thing. It will not have the effect of making the others back of like you think. In fact, just the opposite. Instead of a routine traffic stop for whatever with Patrolman Smith walking up and making contact, everyone will become a threat. Everyone is a suspect even more so than you believe already. And in that, cops will be far more jumpy and, again, err on the side of caution by being far more aggressive than the situation warrants.

Most interactions tend to be reasonable affairs minus the selected minority posted here. But that can, and will, change quickly of cops start getting killed on a regular basis.

I agree with this. If you want to fight law enforcement with violence, you better be prepared for hell. It won't end well for anyone.
 
I'll put it succinctly about the whole cop killing thing. It will not have the effect of making the others back of like you think. In fact, just the opposite. Instead of a routine traffic stop for whatever with Patrolman Smith walking up and making contact, everyone will become a threat. Everyone is a suspect even more so than you believe already. And in that, cops will be far more jumpy and, again, err on the side of caution by being far more aggressive than the situation warrants.

Most interactions tend to be reasonable affairs minus the selected minority posted here. But that can, and will, change quickly of cops start getting killed on a regular basis.
We can thank Obama for fueling the fire. He's using more divisive tactics from Saul Alinksy to get people divided. The more we are divided as a nation, the harder it is to stand up to the out of control government.

What needed to be done was to call for a federal review into training methods for police and work at taking away militarized training. Then have the FBI investigate and prosecute any murders by police. Making an appearance only minorities have been killed and pushing the black lives matter nonsense isn't much different than inciting a riot. Just another example of what a P.O.S. Obama is. Lots of innocent people will die because of his agenda.
 
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We can thank Obama for fueling the fire. He's using more divisive tactics from Saul Alinksy to get people divided. The more we are divided as a nation, the harder it is to stand up to the out of control government.

What needed to be done was to call for a federal review into training methods for police and work at taking away militarized training. Then have the FBI investigate and prosecute any murders by police. Making an appearance only minorities have been killed and pushing the black lives matter nonsense isn't much different than inciting a riot. Just another example of what a P.O.S. Obama is. Lots of innocent people will die because of his agenda.
This "militarized" training is over blown. Having a humvee and some bdu's does not equate to "militarized" training. There may be more veterans in LE, but training is not militarized. The training I received 27 yrs ago vs today is very similar. Some tweaking here and there, but nothing significant.
 
This "militarized" training is over blown. Having a humvee and some bdu's does not equate to "militarized" training. There may be more veterans in LE, but training is not militarized. The training I received 27 yrs ago vs today is very similar. Some tweaking here and there, but nothing significant.

Crap, does that mean I have to turn in my Abrams?
 
This "militarized" training is over blown. Having a humvee and some bdu's does not equate to "militarized" training. There may be more veterans in LE, but training is not militarized. The training I received 27 yrs ago vs today is very similar. Some tweaking here and there, but nothing significant.

So maybe military vets should not be qualified to be police officers -- there is a solution --- put the vets back in postal jobs
 
This "militarized" training is over blown. Having a humvee and some bdu's does not equate to "militarized" training. There may be more veterans in LE, but training is not militarized. The training I received 27 yrs ago vs today is very similar. Some tweaking here and there, but nothing significant.

Then maybe your training was questionable as well? It's pretty well documented that the training going on to enter residences is right out of the military's playbook. Too many no-knock warrants have occurred.
 
Then maybe your training was questionable as well? It's pretty well documented that the training going on to enter residences is right out of the military's playbook. Too many no-knock warrants have occurred.

Actually, the "playbook" the military currently has was right out of what civilians were doing for many years. The original military tactics for going into a house included tossing a grenade (a high explosive type) followed by emptying a magazine into the room. OIF and OEF taught that wasn't the best idea and many tactics were changed to "look, shoot" as opposed to "shoot, look."

I agree no-knocks are overused though. Unfortunately, the opposition to them tends to be "none at all, never justified" affair. There is a time and a place for them in certain situations though so tossing a blanket policy of "never" over them isn't helpful in selected cases.
 
I agree no-knocks are overused though. Unfortunately, the opposition to them tends to be "none at all, never justified" affair. There is a time and a place for them in certain situations though so tossing a blanket policy of "never" over them isn't helpful in selected cases.

When is a no knock warranted, in your opinion?
 
When is a no knock warranted, in your opinion?

Well they all must be warranted lol

An example would be a situation that would present possible harm to innocents like a kidnapping or hostage scenario. In this situation, a traditional warranted search could spook the perps and endanger the victims.

Another scenario would be an armed and known dangerous felon that presents a significant possibility of harm to the general public and/or responding officers. Think Charles Manson or someone like the DC snipers. (And 8 hate labeling them as "snipers")

Just a couple of examples where no-knock raids have a place.
 
Well they all must be warranted lol

An example would be a situation that would present possible harm to innocents like a kidnapping or hostage scenario. In this situation, a traditional warranted search could spook the perps and endanger the victims.

Another scenario would be an armed and known dangerous felon that presents a significant possibility of harm to the general public and/or responding officers. Think Charles Manson or someone like the DC snipers. (And 8 hate labeling them as "snipers")

Just a couple of examples where no-knock raids have a place.

But you and I both know what no-knock raids are used for the majority of times...

Florida police fatally shoot 26-year-old man in 'no-knock raid', friends say it was murder (VIDEO)

Yesterday morning, at approximately 6:30am, Volusia County deputies entered a home with the intent to serve a narcotics search warrant. Inside were six men who were asleep and within seconds, one of them—26-year-old Derrick Cruice—was dead with a gunshot wound to the face. Friends inside the home say they posed no threat, had no weapons and Derrick was wearing only a pair of basketball shorts—no shirt, no shoes and there was nowhere for him to even conceal a weapon.

Derrick Cruice is another in a lengthy list of people killed in these "no-knock raids." There was 7-year-old Aiyana Stanley-Jones, who was curled up in a Disney blanket, sound asleep on the couch in her family's living room. And 59-year-old David Hooks, who thought his house was being burglarized. No drugs were found. Those are only two recent high profile cases, but they beg the question—why are police using these no-knock raids and SWAT teams for nonviolent, relatively minor crimes? According the ACLU, 62% of SWAT team raids are for drugs and 36% of those raids found no drugs on the premises at all. In the mid-80s, there were approximately 2,000 SWAT raids per year in the U.S. Today there are more than 80,000.

What was the search warrant for in the case of Derrick Cruice? Marijuana. Investigators say they recovered 217 grams of marijuana in the house. Did Derrick Cruice really need to die so police could recover less than a half a pound of marijuana? In a state that is listed as one of the most likely to legalize in the next two years?
 
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