To Protect and to Serve II

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Rickyvol77 said:
He was arrested because you can't cite someone who commits the offense of criminal impersonation when you know they are lying about their true identity, as they obviously won't show to go to court. He looked to be clearly exhibiting some kind of mental/drug issue, as well as was the reason 911 was called on him in the first place. But hard to tell from the video about the grabbing the officer's firearm. If he did it would explain how the other officer panicked and went straight to baton.

If he grabbed the officer's weapon, the only thing i could see being improved here is a bit of officer training in how they were walking him to the cruiser to begin with. IMO due to his behavior, he should've been cuffed and searched while being detained rather than letting him rummage through his own pockets like that. Too many red flags (and no race is not one of them)
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This one is very strange. I agree, in hindsight, it wouldn't have been a bad idea to cuff him earlier. On the other hand, he wasn't showing any signs of resistance or hostility at any point, so I can also see why they opted to not cuff him.

I don't know wtf to make of that movement before they started beating him. Def can't say that he didn't reach for the gun, but he looked pretty well restrained. Couple that with the fact that the charges were dropped, and you have yourself a big bowl of wtf.
 
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Chris4Vols22 said:
This one is very strange. I agree, in hindsight, it wouldn't have been a bad idea to cuff him earlier. On the other hand, he wasn't showing any signs of resistance or hostility at any point, so I can also see why they opted to not cuff him.

I don't know wtf to make of that movement before they started beating him. Def can't say that he didn't reach for the gun, but he looked pretty well restrained. Couple that with the fact that the charges were dropped, and you have yourself a big bowl of wtf.
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Charges were likely dropped because they found out he is severely mentally ill and the DA decided not to prosecute.
 
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Chris4Vols22 said:
Definitely a possibility.

I can't think of an excuse for the nature of the beating though.
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What do you mean? They were appropriately using the batons as he was actively kicking them and resisting. They didn't go overboard and they didn't hit spots you aren't supposed to (like cracking his head). It wasn't a "beating" no matter what the media wants to portray it as. If they were actively trying to hurt him, they would have, they were trying to gain control of him.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
He was arrested because you can't cite someone who commits the offense of criminal impersonation when you know they are lying about their true identity, as they obviously won't show to go to court. He looked to be clearly exhibiting some kind of mental/drug issue, as well as was the reason 911 was called on him in the first place. But hard to tell from the video about the grabbing the officer's firearm. If he did it would explain how the other officer panicked and went straight to baton.

If he grabbed the officer's weapon, the only thing i could see being improved here is a bit of officer training in how they were walking him to the cruiser to begin with. IMO due to his behavior, he should've been cuffed and searched while being detained rather than letting him rummage through his own pockets like that. Too many red flags (and no race is not one of them)
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911 was called because he was acting suspicious for asking directions on how to get out of a neighborhood. What’s suspicious about asking directions?

He was stopped walking down the road and a frivolous law was used to stop him. A frivolous law was used to violate his constitutional rights and add more charges. There’s a reason all these frivolous laws exist and they are not to protect anyone.

Why are you hung up on race? Cops violate the rights of blacks, whites, Hispanics, Asians, republicans, democrats, conservatives, and liberals.

Law enforcement officers only care about protecting the thin blue line.
 
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MOOOOONEY said:
911 was called because he was acting suspicious for asking directions on how to get out of a neighborhood. What’s suspicious about asking directions?

He was stopped walking down the road and a frivolous law was used to stop him. A frivolous law was used to violate his constitutional rights and add more charges. There’s a reason all these frivolous laws exist and they are not to protect anyone.

Why are you hung up on race? Cops violate the rights of blacks, whites, Hispanics, Asians, republicans, democrats, conservatives, and liberals.

Law enforcement officers only care about protecting the thin blue line.
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Listen to what he is saying, especially in the back of the patrol car. he clearly is unstable likely due to drugs and mental illness, it is pretty obvious.

That is why 911 was called, his story and the way he was acting didn't make sense and people know when something isn't normal.

Violate his constitutional right? Afraid not.

And i am not hung up on race, but that is the reason this is such a "big story" right now, if he was white, you never would've heard about this story, because it's not that big of a deal either way.

and again BS, I would be the first to criticize these officers if they did something wrong (like the officer cursing at him out of frustration definitely should be written up for that), but the response to resistance was appropriate for the circumstances, especially if he really did grab an officer's weapon.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
What do you mean? They were appropriately using the batons as he was actively kicking them and resisting. They didn't go overboard and they didn't hit spots you aren't supposed to (like cracking his head). It wasn't a "beating" no matter what the media wants to portray it as. If they were actively trying to hurt him, they would have, they were trying to gain control of him.
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Ricky let me hand cuff you and hit you with a baton and video your reaction. I guarantee that you will be “resisting also”

This is the reason that law enforcement needs a complete overhaul. They excuse the inexcusable. It’s all about protecting the thin blue line.
 
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MOOOOONEY said:
Ricky let me hand cuff you and hit you with a baton and video your reaction. I guarantee that you will be “resisting also”

This is the reason that law enforcement needs a complete overhaul. They excuse the inexcusable. It’s all about protecting the thin blue line.
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If i grabbed your gun from it's holster, then you are perfectly able to hit me with a baton and try to control me further. The video shows the officer hit him with the baton quickly (which leads me to believe that the gun grabbing did occur because it was so swift), and as they got him to the ground he continued to resist and try to kick them several times. They didn't use a baton at all until he resisted.

On top of that, even if you handcuffed me and hit me with a baton for all of that, it still wouldn't explain the gibberish and his behaviors, which once again, point to excited delirium from drug use and/OR mental illness.
 
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MOOOOONEY said:
I think you have a comprehension problem.

The cop will get his day in court the other guy is dead.
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One guy was going his job, the other was putting people in harm's way then assaulted two officers making a lawful arrest, stole a weapon in the commission of a felony, then fired a deadly weapon at an officer. There should have been no changes for murder. There was a rush to judge this officer guilty as evidenced by the mayor's actions and words and charge him before an investigation could be concluded.

I think you might be the one with the comprehension problem there chief.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Listen to what he is saying, especially in the back of the patrol car. he clearly is unstable likely due to drugs and mental illness, it is pretty obvious.

That is why 911 was called, his story and the way he was acting didn't make sense and people know when something isn't normal.

Violate his constitutional right? Afraid not.

And i am not hung up on race, but that is the reason this is such a "big story" right now, if he was white, you never would've heard about this story, because it's not that big of a deal either way.

and again BS, I would be the first to criticize these officers if they did something wrong (like the officer cursing at him out of frustration definitely should be written up for that), but the response to resistance was appropriate for the circumstances, especially if he really did grab an officer's weapon.
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So it was a medical issue? Why not call EMTs?

The man was walking down the street. He hadn’t murdered, raped, assaulted, robbed, or hurt anyone but because of a frivolous law he was stopped and arrested on dredged up charges and then beaten. His rights weren’t violated?

Ricky at one time I guess you were a police officer and swore to uphold the constitution, what happened? Were you indoctrinated to only protect the thin blue line?
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
What do you mean? They were appropriately using the batons as he was actively kicking them and resisting. They didn't go overboard and they didn't hit spots you aren't supposed to (like cracking his head). It wasn't a "beating" no matter what the media wants to portray it as. If they were actively trying to hurt him, they would have, they were trying to gain control of him.
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That is beyond stupid. Jesus Christ.
 
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MOOOOONEY said:
So it was a medical issue? Why not call EMTs?

The man was walking down the street. He hadn’t murdered, raped, assaulted, robbed, or hurt anyone but because of a frivolous law he was stopped and arrested on dredged up charges and then beaten. His rights weren’t violated?

Ricky at one time I guess you were a police officer and swore to uphold the constitution, what happened? Were you indoctrinated to only protect the thin blue line?
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No one said he hurt anyone, but there is this thing called "community caretaking", and they only arrested him because of his behavior and the fact that they lied about who he was. If he had given his actual name and stated the truth about what he was doing, he likely would've been sent on his way.

Once he grabs an officer's weapon (much like Brooks), everything in the situation changes.

There is nothing unconstitutional about this 911 call, their brief detaining, arresting him for criminal impersonation, NOR using response to resistance when he resists arrests and assaults them
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
How so? please explain
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Look, I do my best to meet you in the middle so we can have a some semblance of a functional conversation. I really don't think that's going to happen this time. If you watch that beating and tell me there's no way that four grown men who swore to protect and serve their community could not have de-escalated that situation WITHOUT using batons on a handcuffed man who's on the ground? You are out of your mind.

Any chance in hell you could try to meet me in the middle here? Even just a quarter?
 
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Might surprise some of the cop haters on here but I agree with any criticism of police in this video.....also, why can't police just somewhat explain "look, we got a call of suspicious activity and we are just checking it out, answer a few questions and we will let you go"
 
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Bigun said:
Might surprise some of the cop haters on here but I agree with any criticism of police in this video.....also, why can't police just somewhat explain "look, we got a call of suspicious activity and we are just checking it out, answer a few questions and we will let you go"
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Now see? This is a perfect example of police being completely in the wrong. This is miscommunication between officers which led to this nonsense. The officers should be punished for being in the wrong here
 
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Chris4Vols22 said:
Look, I do my best to meet you in the middle so we can have a some semblance of a functional conversation. I really don't think that's going to happen this time. If you watch that beating and tell me there's no way that four grown men who swore to protect and serve their community could not have de-escalated that situation WITHOUT using batons on a handcuffed man who's on the ground? You are out of your mind.

Any chance in hell you could try to meet me in the middle here? Even just a quarter?
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The officers were calm and respectful and the situation wasn’t escalated till he tried to grab their gun. Brooks was a similar incident.
 
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I have a question, can EMT's administer tranquilizers/sedatives to people who are mentally or emotionally disturbed?
 
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KB5252 said:
I have a question, can EMT's administer tranquilizers/sedatives to people who are mentally or emotionally disturbed?
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Usually only if they are intubating them for serious issues. They are usually handcuffed by police or tied down by EMS until they can be restrained and medicated in ED. B-52 loaded syringe and such
 
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Every one of those cops in Chattanooga should be fired, sued to total bankruptcy, charged and convicted of assault, and spend the next 10-20 years in Tennessee's most unforgiving prison.
 
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