To Protect and to Serve II


I would use Walter Block's Defending the Undefendable table of contents as examples of victimless aka crimes that harm no one but offend some prude's delicate sensibilities.

Prostitution
Pimping
Drug pushing
Drug user
Free speech
Blackmailer
Libeler
Advertiser
The person who yell "fire" in a crowded theatre
Gypsy cab driver
Ticket scalper
Dirty cop
Non government Counterfeiter
Speculator
Moneylender
Stripminor
Profiteer
Middleman
Scab
Rate buster
Child labor employer
 
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I would use Walter Block's Defending the Undefendable table of contents as examples of victimless aka crimes that harm no one but offend some prude's delicate sensibilities.

Prostitution
Pimping
Drug pushing
Drug user
Free speech
Blackmailer
Libeler
Advertiser
The person who yell "fire" in a crowded theatre
Gypsy cab driver
Ticket scalper
Dirty cop
Non government Counterfeiter
Speculator
Moneylender
Stripminor
Profiteer
Middleman
Scab
Rate buster
Child labor employer

Gambling
Bookmaking
Selling loose cigarettes
Feeding the homeless
Tinted windows
Busted taglight
Having a cistern
Carrying a gun
Carrying a knife
Carrying a sword
 
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This is no coincidence...

Mesa police are no strangers to violence and corruption. For those who don’t remember, in March of 2016, Mesa Police Officer Philip Brailsford was charged with second-degree murder for gunning down Daniel Shaver, an innocent husband, and father of two.

The shooting was captured on body cam footage and showed an innocent unarmed dad beg for his life as he crawled on the ground just before Brailsford opened fire and murdered him. In December, a jury, apparently blinded by the badge delivered a verdict of not guilty.
 
I've been around and done the job long enough now to have a qualified opinion on it. I will say this, however, good officers screw up too. My Sergeant is someone whose opinion I take seriously, as he's been on the job and in the street 16 years longer than I have. About 3 months ago we had an incident that he described as the most intense situation he'd been in, in all of his years of service.

Long story short, me and at least 5 other officers, whom I work with and would trust with my life, could have (justifably) shot and killed a man we knew to be wanted for kidnapping 3 children (they had already been returned safe).

I've had my gun out countless amounts of times but that was the first time I had my finger on the trigger and damn near pulled...all I was waiting for was someone to say "Gun!" Thankfully, he decided he against whatever it was he was reaching for and, instead, took off in his car. He got away after we terminated the pursuit due to weather conditions on the road. He was caught the next day by U.S. Marshalls.

I don't know to this day if he was armed or not. What I do know is that every single officer there is a good man, well trained, smart, and trustworthy. We each could have pulled the trigger and have been justified in doing so, given the totality of the circumstances (the guy had FB posts indicating he was going to suicide by cop). We didn't but, had we, we would have been scrutinized as being poorly trained, undisciplined, trigger happy cops.

It comes with the territory and, I'm fine with that but, no matter the outcome, we would have been vilified as "bad cops" by some, no matter what details came to light.

That's the job. And I love it.

Great explanation for the difference between bad cop/human factor. You’re not a robot. I don’t like calling some instances that turn out terrible “mistakes” but they are. Sometimes being “justified” can lead to countless lives shredded. Including the officer
 
I've constantly heard "thank you for your service" or "blue lives matter". But ask yourself when was the last time anyone was told to thank their farmer or lineman? Both of those professions are just as dangerous, if not more so, than a cop.

You don’t see a difference?
 
You don’t see a difference?

I agree with his general line of reasoning. There are certain professions that we have reverence for and others not so much, when in both cases the jobs are very important and undesirable in their own ways.

Soldiers
Teachers
Cops
Firemen

Plumbers
Garbage men
HVAC techs
Janitors

A fireman is automatically a hero and a plumber is a guy with a visible ass crack.
 
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just curious what is the line for a police state? because according to some of the stuff here I don't know of many governments ever that weren't police states, and I would put us no where near the top of even in the modern era.
 
just curious what is the line for a police state? because according to some of the stuff here I don't know of many governments ever that weren't police states, and I would put us no where near the top of even in the modern era.

Is a police state a relative thing or an absolute thing?
 
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