To Protect and to Serve II

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Cdywolfe said:
This is such a stupid argument.

No I’ve never been through a cops training. But considering how many of them are afraid of their own shadow, how many go into every interaction like the person is a threat, and how most obviously feel like their safety and their ability to “go home to their kids at night” is exponentially more important than mine or yours, I feel more than comfortable feeling like their training could use some adjustment.

I’ve also never been shot at but my guess is that 19 our 20 cops haven’t been shot at either.
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Afraid of their own shadow.... big talk from an internet tough guy..... I was just asking bc I didn’t know if you saw the video where they invited the group that was protesting to go through the training.... blanks were being used but by the end of the training the leader said he had a different understanding from both sides.... he started out like you seem to think cops should behave but by the way end he was running with his gun pointed behind him not even looking at what he was shooting at.
 
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MercyPercy said:
I understand going to tackle him before he reaches the bag, but once he's done it and proved there was no danger, the tackle and beatdown down is more like emotional vengeance rather than practical interference. Arrest him, do whatever you need to do. But that wasn't necessary. You folks wouldn't hope officers are more even keeled than that?

I suppose low emotional intelligence could seem appealing to those with the same lack of self control.
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volbeast33 said:
Afraid of their own shadow.... big talk from an internet tough guy..... I was just asking bc I didn’t know if you saw the video where they invited the group that was protesting to go through the training.... blanks were being used but by the end of the training the leader said he had a different understanding from both sides.... he started out like you seem to think cops should behave but by the way end he was running with his gun pointed behind him not even looking at what he was shooting at.
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Internet tough guy? I suppose we have different definitions of what that is.

Also... You do realize we’re discussing the same group who justifies basically all their wrong doings by claiming they were scared right?
 
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n_huffhines said:
Fug that. There was no reason to spear him. There was obviously no bomb by the time they assaulted him. They got brave because he revealed that there was no danger
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Meh
I can see the need for a hard takedown.
They don’t know anything about this guy. They don’t know if he’s going to fight or might even be armed. You have to admit he’s a bit crazy already for crossing the tape.
 
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'Being Naked Does Not Remove a Threat': Says Chief as Cops Kill Unarmed Naked Teacher

Believe it or not I’m gonna say this one was justified.

The cop tried to taze him first and it was totally ineffective. The guy was pretty up front about his intentions to kill the officer. And lastly, the dude had just been hit by a damn car and didn’t even seem fazed.

Not to mention the cop was clearly upset. I’ll say this... I sure as hell would’ve shot the guy. It’s certainly a tragedy but what was he supposed to do?
 
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volbeast33 said:
Could you imagine doing a job that involved life and death while having people critique every split second decision you make.
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When your job entails decisions that have the potential to destroy lives then everything you do should be closely scrutinized. If they can't handle that then maybe they should look for another line of work.
 
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on the bomb thing the cops were not justified at all. had they done that before he clears the bag, sure. but afterwards and there is clearly no threat? hold him, get his story, make sure things are clear and then let him go, if you aren't going to charge him. no way to justify the beating.
 
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MyBloodRunnethOrange said:
I think the majority of Cops feel that way. It's just the bad ones that we hear about.
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I've been around and done the job long enough now to have a qualified opinion on it. I will say this, however, good officers screw up too. My Sergeant is someone whose opinion I take seriously, as he's been on the job and in the street 16 years longer than I have. About 3 months ago we had an incident that he described as the most intense situation he'd been in, in all of his years of service.

Long story short, me and at least 5 other officers, whom I work with and would trust with my life, could have (justifably) shot and killed a man we knew to be wanted for kidnapping 3 children (they had already been returned safe).

I've had my gun out countless amounts of times but that was the first time I had my finger on the trigger and damn near pulled...all I was waiting for was someone to say "Gun!" Thankfully, he decided he against whatever it was he was reaching for and, instead, took off in his car. He got away after we terminated the pursuit due to weather conditions on the road. He was caught the next day by U.S. Marshalls.

I don't know to this day if he was armed or not. What I do know is that every single officer there is a good man, well trained, smart, and trustworthy. We each could have pulled the trigger and have been justified in doing so, given the totality of the circumstances (the guy had FB posts indicating he was going to suicide by cop). We didn't but, had we, we would have been scrutinized as being poorly trained, undisciplined, trigger happy cops.

It comes with the territory and, I'm fine with that but, no matter the outcome, we would have been vilified as "bad cops" by some, no matter what details came to light.

That's the job. And I love it.
 
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orangeblood79 said:
I've been around and done the job long enough now to have a qualified opinion on it. I will say this, however, good officers screw up too. My Sergeant is someone whose opinion I take seriously, as he's been on the job and in the street 16 years longer than I have. About 3 months ago we had an incident that he described as the most intense situation he'd been in, in all of his years of service.

Long story short, me and at least 5 other officers, whom I work with and would trust with my life, could have (justifably) shot and killed a man we knew to be wanted for kidnapping 3 children (they had already been returned safe).

I've had my gun out countless amounts of times but that was the first time I had my finger on the trigger and damn near pulled...all I was waiting for was someone to say "Gun!" Thankfully, he decided he against whatever it was he was reaching for and, instead, took off in his car. He got away after we terminated the pursuit due to weather conditions on the road. He was caught the next day by U.S. Marshalls.

I don't know to this day if he was armed or not. What I do know is that every single officer there is a good man, well trained, smart, and trustworthy. We each could have pulled the trigger and have been justified in doing so, given the totality of the circumstances (the guy had FB posts indicating he was going to suicide by cop). We didn't but, had we, we would have been scrutinized as being poorly trained, undisciplined, trigger happy cops.

It comes with the territory and, I'm fine with that but, no matter the outcome, we would have been vilified as "bad cops" by some, no matter what details came to light.

That's the job. And I love it.
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This is why I couldn't be a cop. I'd shoot without hesitation anybody who hurt or messed with a kid.
 
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orangeblood79 said:
I've been around and done the job long enough now to have a qualified opinion on it. I will say this, however, good officers screw up too. My Sergeant is someone whose opinion I take seriously, as he's been on the job and in the street 16 years longer than I have. About 3 months ago we had an incident that he described as the most intense situation he'd been in, in all of his years of service.

Long story short, me and at least 5 other officers, whom I work with and would trust with my life, could have (justifably) shot and killed a man we knew to be wanted for kidnapping 3 children (they had already been returned safe).

I've had my gun out countless amounts of times but that was the first time I had my finger on the trigger and damn near pulled...all I was waiting for was someone to say "Gun!" Thankfully, he decided he against whatever it was he was reaching for and, instead, took off in his car. He got away after we terminated the pursuit due to weather conditions on the road. He was caught the next day by U.S. Marshalls.

I don't know to this day if he was armed or not. What I do know is that every single officer there is a good man, well trained, smart, and trustworthy. We each could have pulled the trigger and have been justified in doing so, given the totality of the circumstances (the guy had FB posts indicating he was going to suicide by cop). We didn't but, had we, we would have been scrutinized as being poorly trained, undisciplined, trigger happy cops.

It comes with the territory and, I'm fine with that but, no matter the outcome, we would have been vilified as "bad cops" by some, no matter what details came to light.

That's the job. And I love it.
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Not by me. What I consider a bad cop are the ones who take it upon themselves to teach someone a lesson. There was a video someone posted a few years back where a cop is hovering over a guy ordering him to roll over. Each time he repeated the command he would punch the guy in the face. Completely unnecessary. There's no reason he couldn't have rolled the guy over and put the cuffs on.

The cop in Arizona that shot a guy who was on his hands and knees begging for his life. It was obvious to everyone that this guy is no threat. He wasn't acting as a cop at that moment. He was a hunter, and the poor guy begging was his prey.

I'd just like to see some accountability for these things. Just once, when one of these guys lets his anger management issues get the best of him, I'd like to see a couple of the good cops on the scene arrest the bad cop for assault and battery. I'd like to see a conviction when the video evidence is clear.
 
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You may have seen the footage of cops punching this little woman at the Jersey shore, it's been circulating social media. Well the body cam footage has been released and surprise, surprise, it does not support the cops' claim that the woman spat and kicked at them.

"He punched her in the face," the friend tells the officers. "Well, she tried to kick at us, so that's it," the officer with the camera responds.

"She tried walking away from me," he says. "I tried grabbing her, she tried kicking at us, so I slammed her to the ground . . . I hit her a couple of times and put her in cuffs."
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Say she did kick at them, why is there escalation of violence? There is no need to have multiple men hold her down and bust her in the face. They are such ***** cowards.

Bodycam footage of cop punching woman on N.J. beach fails to show she kicked officer in groin (WARNING: GRAPHIC CONTENT) - NY Daily News
 
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n_huffhines said:
You may have seen the footage of cops punching this little woman at the Jersey shore, it's been circulating social media. Well the body cam footage has been released and surprise, surprise, it does not support the cops' claim that the woman spat and kicked at them.



Say she did kick at them, why is there escalation of violence? There is no need to have multiple men hold her down and bust her in the face. They are such ***** cowards.

Bodycam footage of cop punching woman on N.J. beach fails to show she kicked officer in groin (WARNING: GRAPHIC CONTENT) - NY Daily News
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Shockingly, GMA admitted the girl struck at the officer, briefly causing his body camera to shut off. Should she had been punched in the head? No. Should she had an open container of alcohol on the beach and be drinking underage? No. Should she had given her last name when asked multiple times? Why not? Should she have resisted arrest? I'd say no. But yes, the officer overstepped when punching her.
 
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CABVOL said:
Shockingly, GMA admitted the girl struck at the officer, briefly causing his body camera to shut off. Should she had been punched in the head? No. Should she had an open container of alcohol on the beach and be drinking underage? No. Should she had given her last name when asked multiple times? Why not? Should she have resisted arrest? I'd say no. But yes, the officer overstepped when punching her.
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If we didn't live in a police state, none of this would have happened.

BTW, she said it was unopened and she passed two breathalyzer tests.
 
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