To Protect and to Serve II

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n_huffhines said:
Split second? What video did you watch?

If it takes you 3" to realize what you thought was dangerous is obviously not dangerous, you don't have what it takes to handle these situations.

He literally dropped the bag, threw his hands up in disgust, and took 3 steps walking away from it before they tackled him.

You/they should be less worried about arm chair QB's critiquing them and more worried about the law suit tax payers are going to pony up for.
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I was talking in general but this particular instance the guy in the wrong is the idiot biker.... he put the cops and everyone else’s life in danger... you can’t tell when the cops started running and they were at a different angle than the one the cops were looking at.... the biker fits the saying..... play stupid games win stupid prizes.
 
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Cdywolfe said:
Sorry but just because someone lacks the intelligence, critical thinking skills, compassion, and spine to rationally analyze a situation before reacting (often in the most extreme possible way) doesn’t mean that doing so wasn’t possible and/or necessary.
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Have you ever went through a cops training.... ever been shot at.... how do you know how you would react in those kind of situations?
 
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Couldn’t the bike rider be charge for interfering with uplift investigation? I thought the yellow tape meant restricted area
 
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volbeast33 said:
Have you ever went through a cops training.... ever been shot at.... how do you know how you would react in those kind of situations?
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This is such a stupid argument.

No I’ve never been through a cops training. But considering how many of them are afraid of their own shadow, how many go into every interaction like the person is a threat, and how most obviously feel like their safety and their ability to “go home to their kids at night” is exponentially more important than mine or yours, I feel more than comfortable feeling like their training could use some adjustment.

I’ve also never been shot at but my guess is that 19 our 20 cops haven’t been shot at either.
 
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I understand going to tackle him before he reaches the bag, but once he's done it and proved there was no danger, the tackle and beatdown down is more like emotional vengeance rather than practical interference. Arrest him, do whatever you need to do. But that wasn't necessary. You folks wouldn't hope officers are more even keeled than that?

I suppose low emotional intelligence could seem appealing to those with the same lack of self control.
 
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Cdywolfe said:
This is such a stupid argument.

No I’ve never been through a cops training. But considering how many of them are afraid of their own shadow, how many go into every interaction like the person is a threat, and how most obviously feel like their safety and their ability to “go home to their kids at night” is exponentially more important than mine or yours, I feel more than comfortable feeling like their training could use some adjustment.

I’ve also never been shot at but my guess is that 19 our 20 cops haven’t been shot at either.
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Afraid of their own shadow.... big talk from an internet tough guy..... I was just asking bc I didn’t know if you saw the video where they invited the group that was protesting to go through the training.... blanks were being used but by the end of the training the leader said he had a different understanding from both sides.... he started out like you seem to think cops should behave but by the way end he was running with his gun pointed behind him not even looking at what he was shooting at.
 
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MercyPercy said:
I understand going to tackle him before he reaches the bag, but once he's done it and proved there was no danger, the tackle and beatdown down is more like emotional vengeance rather than practical interference. Arrest him, do whatever you need to do. But that wasn't necessary. You folks wouldn't hope officers are more even keeled than that?

I suppose low emotional intelligence could seem appealing to those with the same lack of self control.
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volbeast33 said:
Afraid of their own shadow.... big talk from an internet tough guy..... I was just asking bc I didn’t know if you saw the video where they invited the group that was protesting to go through the training.... blanks were being used but by the end of the training the leader said he had a different understanding from both sides.... he started out like you seem to think cops should behave but by the way end he was running with his gun pointed behind him not even looking at what he was shooting at.
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Internet tough guy? I suppose we have different definitions of what that is.

Also... You do realize we’re discussing the same group who justifies basically all their wrong doings by claiming they were scared right?
 
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n_huffhines said:
Fug that. There was no reason to spear him. There was obviously no bomb by the time they assaulted him. They got brave because he revealed that there was no danger
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Meh
I can see the need for a hard takedown.
They don’t know anything about this guy. They don’t know if he’s going to fight or might even be armed. You have to admit he’s a bit crazy already for crossing the tape.
 
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'Being Naked Does Not Remove a Threat': Says Chief as Cops Kill Unarmed Naked Teacher

Believe it or not I’m gonna say this one was justified.

The cop tried to taze him first and it was totally ineffective. The guy was pretty up front about his intentions to kill the officer. And lastly, the dude had just been hit by a damn car and didn’t even seem fazed.

Not to mention the cop was clearly upset. I’ll say this... I sure as hell would’ve shot the guy. It’s certainly a tragedy but what was he supposed to do?
 
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volbeast33 said:
Could you imagine doing a job that involved life and death while having people critique every split second decision you make.
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When your job entails decisions that have the potential to destroy lives then everything you do should be closely scrutinized. If they can't handle that then maybe they should look for another line of work.
 
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on the bomb thing the cops were not justified at all. had they done that before he clears the bag, sure. but afterwards and there is clearly no threat? hold him, get his story, make sure things are clear and then let him go, if you aren't going to charge him. no way to justify the beating.
 
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MyBloodRunnethOrange said:
I think the majority of Cops feel that way. It's just the bad ones that we hear about.
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I've been around and done the job long enough now to have a qualified opinion on it. I will say this, however, good officers screw up too. My Sergeant is someone whose opinion I take seriously, as he's been on the job and in the street 16 years longer than I have. About 3 months ago we had an incident that he described as the most intense situation he'd been in, in all of his years of service.

Long story short, me and at least 5 other officers, whom I work with and would trust with my life, could have (justifably) shot and killed a man we knew to be wanted for kidnapping 3 children (they had already been returned safe).

I've had my gun out countless amounts of times but that was the first time I had my finger on the trigger and damn near pulled...all I was waiting for was someone to say "Gun!" Thankfully, he decided he against whatever it was he was reaching for and, instead, took off in his car. He got away after we terminated the pursuit due to weather conditions on the road. He was caught the next day by U.S. Marshalls.

I don't know to this day if he was armed or not. What I do know is that every single officer there is a good man, well trained, smart, and trustworthy. We each could have pulled the trigger and have been justified in doing so, given the totality of the circumstances (the guy had FB posts indicating he was going to suicide by cop). We didn't but, had we, we would have been scrutinized as being poorly trained, undisciplined, trigger happy cops.

It comes with the territory and, I'm fine with that but, no matter the outcome, we would have been vilified as "bad cops" by some, no matter what details came to light.

That's the job. And I love it.
 
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