To Protect and to Serve II

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Also... When are we gonna learn that tasking neanderthals with defusing situations involving the mentally ill is generally a terrible idea?
 
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Supreme Court asked to shield Calif. deputy who killed 13-year-old carrying pellet gun

This can certainly open up the possibility of a slew of police shootings.


This week, the U.S. Supreme Court is being asked to shield the deputy from being sued by the parents of the boy on the grounds that no law "squarely governs" this situation and would have alerted the officer that shooting the teenager on the sidewalk amounted to the use of "excessive force."
Joined by several California law enforcement groups, Sonoma County's lawyers are urging the justices to "support the common sense proposition that officers need not wait for a gun to actually be leveled or pointed at them before responding with deadly force to protect themselves and the public."
 
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VolFaninFla said:
Supreme Court asked to shield Calif. deputy who killed 13-year-old carrying pellet gun

This can certainly open up the possibility of a slew of police shootings.


This week, the U.S. Supreme Court is being asked to shield the deputy from being sued by the parents of the boy on the grounds that no law "squarely governs" this situation and would have alerted the officer that shooting the teenager on the sidewalk amounted to the use of "excessive force."
Joined by several California law enforcement groups, Sonoma County's lawyers are urging the justices to "support the common sense proposition that officers need not wait for a gun to actually be leveled or pointed at them before responding with deadly force to protect themselves and the public."
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There you have it folks... this is the kind of logic we are up against.
 
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And why were they approached by the cop? Murder? Theft? Pedo or rape? No, open container...

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYQac758acw[/youtube]
 
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Uhhh ohh... not even open container. It was open display of alcohol.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkLb-0-L5OA[/youtube]
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghVoIdyiyZY[/youtube]
 
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volbeast33 said:
I’m not arguing right or wrong but I will never understand why people want to fight back over minor issues like this.....you never win.... if you think you are wronged.... fight it legally after the fact.
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GMA brought up the fact the girl was on probation from a 2016 conviction. Therefore, as an underage person in possession of a bottle of alcohol, maybe that’s why she refused to give her last name, which in turn led to the unfortunate situation. Personal responsibility, yo.
 
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volbeast33 said:
I’m not arguing right or wrong but I will never understand why people want to fight back over minor issues like this.....you never win.... if you think you are wronged.... fight it legally after the fact.
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Yeah cause the courts have such a strong history of holding LE accountable.

I agree that obedience is generally the best course of action but not because it’s the right thing to do or because it’s best to fight it legally later. It’s generally best cause, whether they’re right or wrong, they’ll beat, tase, sick a vicious dog on, or kill you if you don’t.
 
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Cdywolfe said:
Yeah cause the courts have such a strong history of holding LE accountable.

I agree that obedience is generally the best course of action but not because it’s the right thing to do or because it’s best to fight it legally later. It’s generally best cause, whether they’re right or wrong, they’ll beat, tase, sick a vicious dog on, or kill you if you don’t.
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Which works in the cops favor 95% of the time. Most people don't want any trouble. They just want the cops out of their faces. ..

But God bless those 5% that don't conform or just happened to be in the wrong mood or mind on this particular day. The world needs more people like this.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Which works in the cops favor 95% of the time. Most people don't want any trouble. They just want the cops out of their faces. ..

But God bless those 5% that don't conform or just happened to be in the wrong mood or mind on this particular day. The world needs more people like this.
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I agree... IMO that cop in that first video you posted is somewhat lucky to have walked away from that in one piece. Eventually one’s gonna not be so lucky. Maybe they should start thinking twice before shooting people in the back as they’re running away (as well as once point blank when they’re already down).

I’d much rather the courts hold these guys accountable but they’ve made it clear they have little interest in doing so.
 
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I want one of the usual suspects to come in here and defend shooting someone with an open container in the back or slamming some broad on the sand for just displaying alcohol...
 
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The San Francisco Police Department’s general order on use of force states that officers may use deadly force only “as a last resort when reasonable alternatives have been exhausted or are not feasible to protect the safety of the public and police officers.”
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How the f*** are you gonna tell me this officer was justified using deadly force under these parameters? The crazy part is that’s exactly what they’ll say. They must really think we’re stupid.
 
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Cdywolfe said:
How the f*** are you gonna tell me this officer was justified using deadly force under these parameters? The crazy part is that’s exactly what they’ll say. They must really think we’re stupid.
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Unfortunately a good number of people will eagerly take it - hook, line, and sinker.
 
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Chattanooga police officer under investigation for allegedly drinking while in possession of a city vehicle - WRCBtv.com | Chattanooga News, Weather & Sports

Think you'd get this treatment?

The caller, an employee at Amigo's off Highway 58, called to report an intoxicated man inside what she identified as a police car.

"I'm pretty sure it may be an undercover police car. I'm pretty sure there's lights on the front of it," the caller stated. "He's laying down in the car seat now. I don't know if he's going to try and start his car or what?"

The Chattanooga Police Department confirms the man in the car was Lt. Craig Joel, a 20-year department veteran, who served as the department's public information officer and president of the Chattanooga Fire and Police Pension Fund Board.

A spokesperson also confirms the black Ford Fusion named in the report is a city-owned vehicle.

The responding officer noted Joel "appeared to be extremely intoxicated," but he did not pursue charges because he only saw Joel outside the car.

But wait there's more:

In 2004, he was suspended without pay for five days after a crash involving his patrol car.

He was found not at fault for causing the crash, but a breathalyzer showed his blood alcohol content was .09 percent, which is over the legal limit of .08 percent.

He was not charged but did lose his take-home car privileges for four months and was required to attend counseling.
 
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DancingOutlaw said:
Chattanooga police officer under investigation for allegedly drinking while in possession of a city vehicle - WRCBtv.com | Chattanooga News, Weather & Sports

Think you'd get this treatment?

The caller, an employee at Amigo's off Highway 58, called to report an intoxicated man inside what she identified as a police car.

"I'm pretty sure it may be an undercover police car. I'm pretty sure there's lights on the front of it," the caller stated. "He's laying down in the car seat now. I don't know if he's going to try and start his car or what?"

The Chattanooga Police Department confirms the man in the car was Lt. Craig Joel, a 20-year department veteran, who served as the department's public information officer and president of the Chattanooga Fire and Police Pension Fund Board.

A spokesperson also confirms the black Ford Fusion named in the report is a city-owned vehicle.

The responding officer noted Joel "appeared to be extremely intoxicated," but he did not pursue charges because he only saw Joel outside the car.

But wait there's more:

In 2004, he was suspended without pay for five days after a crash involving his patrol car.

He was found not at fault for causing the crash, but a breathalyzer showed his blood alcohol content was .09 percent, which is over the legal limit of .08 percent.

He was not charged but did lose his take-home car privileges for four months and was required to attend counseling.
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Professional courtesy!
 
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Sigh...

So last night, myself and another officer split the cost of a room for two guys who had been stranded in our town. Reason we we there in the first place was that one of them had allegedly threatened suicide to family members. He denied everything, so did his friend who was with him. I questioned both of them for 30 minutes to ensure the guy wasn't lying and hadn't just ingested an entire bottle of pills, like we were told.

He had enough (legal) prescription medication for three people (mental health, etc). They had both just gotten out of rehab. They had no cell phones, no ride (they had been ditched after paying $30 by another guy who had gotten out of rehab with them)...I believed what they were telling us to be the truth.

All they said they wanted was to get home to see their kids (75 miles away for the both of them). Best we could do was put them up for the night and let them keep what little money they had for an Uber or Lyft...because the guy who had allegedly threatened suicide had apparently burned enough bridges with his wife and family that no one was picking him up. He was obviously upset when we called his wife and she told me that she wasn't going to pick him up.

We give both of them the speech..."get right with your family, do what needs to be done, stop f***ing around with meth, heroin, and a**holes who enable that behavior....wish you the best...don't want to see you again..." etc. etc.

As soon as we leave dude calls his wife from the room and begins a shouting match over the phone. So loud that the other guy steps out of the room and still plainly hears everything with the door shut. It gets quiet, he goes back inside...dude had taken 4 bottles of his meds. He's alive, but barely.

Meanwhile, I'm hooking a dude up across town for beating the sh** out of his wife and daughter when the call comes out, in the room we put them in, of an unresponsive male who'd taken several bottles of pills.

This, ladies and gentlemen, is what we deal with on a daily basis. I'm not afraid to admit that it f'd me up for a bit, but I still had 5 hours on shift and I went back to work. Had to. I was still able to talk with the guy I had arrested in a way that he actually thanked me for being courteous to him and his son, who showed up as he was being placed in my back seat.

We have some turds of our own that give the rest of us bad names but, contrary to what you might believe, there are more good than bad.
 
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orangeblood79 said:
Sigh...

So last night, myself and another officer split the cost of a room for two guys who had been stranded in our town. Reason we we there in the first place was that one of them had allegedly threatened suicide to family members. He denied everything, so did his friend who was with him. I questioned both of them for 30 minutes to ensure the guy wasn't lying and hadn't just ingested an entire bottle of pills, like we were told.

He had enough (legal) prescription medication for three people (mental health, etc). They had both just gotten out of rehab. They had no cell phones, no ride (they had been ditched after paying $30 by another guy who had gotten out of rehab with them)...I believed what they were telling us to be the truth.

All they said they wanted was to get home to see their kids (75 miles away for the both of them). Best we could do was put them up for the night and let them keep what little money they had for an Uber or Lyft...because the guy who had allegedly threatened suicide had apparently burned enough bridges with his wife and family that no one was picking him up. He was obviously upset when we called his wife and she told me that she wasn't going to pick him up.

We give both of them the speech..."get right with your family, do what needs to be done, stop f***ing around with meth, heroin, and a**holes who enable that behavior....wish you the best...don't want to see you again..." etc. etc.

As soon as we leave dude calls his wife from the room and begins a shouting match over the phone. So loud that the other guy steps out of the room and still plainly hears everything with the door shut. It gets quiet, he goes back inside...dude had taken 4 bottles of his meds. He's alive, but barely.

Meanwhile, I'm hooking a dude up across town for beating the sh** out of his wife and daughter when the call comes out, in the room we put them in, of an unresponsive male who'd taken several bottles of pills.

This, ladies and gentlemen, is what we deal with on a daily basis. I'm not afraid to admit that it f'd me up for a bit, but I still had 5 hours on shift and I went back to work. Had to. I was still able to talk with the guy I had arrested in a way that he actually thanked me for being courteous to him and his son, who showed up as he was being placed in my back seat.

We have some turds of our own that give the rest of us bad names but, contrary to what you might believe, there are more good than bad.
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That’s a tough gig. You’re definitely one of the good ones. I know I wouldn’t handle that kind of situation with the calm you described. Stay safe out there.
 
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orangeblood79 said:
Sigh...

So last night, myself and another officer split the cost of a room for two guys who had been stranded in our town. Reason we we there in the first place was that one of them had allegedly threatened suicide to family members. He denied everything, so did his friend who was with him. I questioned both of them for 30 minutes to ensure the guy wasn't lying and hadn't just ingested an entire bottle of pills, like we were told.

He had enough (legal) prescription medication for three people (mental health, etc). They had both just gotten out of rehab. They had no cell phones, no ride (they had been ditched after paying $30 by another guy who had gotten out of rehab with them)...I believed what they were telling us to be the truth.

All they said they wanted was to get home to see their kids (75 miles away for the both of them). Best we could do was put them up for the night and let them keep what little money they had for an Uber or Lyft...because the guy who had allegedly threatened suicide had apparently burned enough bridges with his wife and family that no one was picking him up. He was obviously upset when we called his wife and she told me that she wasn't going to pick him up.

We give both of them the speech..."get right with your family, do what needs to be done, stop f***ing around with meth, heroin, and a**holes who enable that behavior....wish you the best...don't want to see you again..." etc. etc.

As soon as we leave dude calls his wife from the room and begins a shouting match over the phone. So loud that the other guy steps out of the room and still plainly hears everything with the door shut. It gets quiet, he goes back inside...dude had taken 4 bottles of his meds. He's alive, but barely.

Meanwhile, I'm hooking a dude up across town for beating the sh** out of his wife and daughter when the call comes out, in the room we put them in, of an unresponsive male who'd taken several bottles of pills.

This, ladies and gentlemen, is what we deal with on a daily basis. I'm not afraid to admit that it f'd me up for a bit, but I still had 5 hours on shift and I went back to work. Had to. I was still able to talk with the guy I had arrested in a way that he actually thanked me for being courteous to him and his son, who showed up as he was being placed in my back seat.


We have some turds of our own that give the rest of us bad names but, contrary to what you might believe, there are more good than bad.
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I believe the vast majority of cops are good. Unfortunately it's the bad ones that make the headlines.
 
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