To Protect and to Serve II

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Rasputin_Vol said:
They are going to argue, "we're just enforcing the law".

What's more important, enforcing the law or serving justice? Justice was not served in either of those cases.
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I always thought it was the cops responsibility to enforce the law, and then the court system for enforcing justice.
 
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Matt2496 said:
I always thought it was the cops responsibility to enforce the law, and then the court system for enforcing justice.
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They are the first link in the chain of the justice system. They have discretion on what laws to enforce and when they will enforce them.

The fact that you have two cops using a coin flip to determine if someone is going to be arrested and be freed is an example of that discretion.
 
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Matt2496 said:
I always thought it was the cops responsibility to enforce the law, and then the court system for enforcing justice.
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No. Just like everybody else in the system, they can nullify the law. Trust me, even if it were possible (which it's not), you don't want the cops enforcing every law by the book. It's OK to not issue a ticket when somebody is 5 mph over in a 65 mph zone.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
So we're flipping coins to determine who goes free and who goes to jail? Keep in mind, this is someone that was going to work... a taxpayer. Not a killer. Not a rapist. Not a thief. But a taxpayer. Disgusting...

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-gzFxV3Wcg[/youtube]
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Another thing that bothers me from the video is the arresting officer telling the woman she was doing 80, then when she isn’t around the woman she tells another officer that the woman was probably doing 80-85 and she had to do 90 to catch her. So, she didn’t know the speed and she put other drivers at risk to go even faster than the woman she pulled over. Hypocrisy at its finest.
 
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The part that annoyed me was the self righteous lecture. She can shove that garbage right up her a**. How about you speak out against all the BS in your own profession and then (maybe) I’ll care about your BS self righteous lecture. Until then about you stfu and just do your job?
 
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Cdywolfe said:
The part that annoyed me was the self righteous lecture. She can shove that garbage right up her a**. How about you speak out against all the BS in your own profession and then (maybe) I’ll care about your BS self righteous lecture. Until then about you stfu and just do your job?
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All cops feel they have the authority to tongue lash a civilian. Either give me a ticket or don't pull me over in the first place. Why don't they tongue lash these lawmakers the same way they do the civilians that pay their salaries? Disgusting...

Picking on people that are just trying to make a few ends meet instead of picking on real criminals.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
All cops feel they have the authority to tongue lash a civilian. Either give me a ticket or don't pull me over in the first place. Why don't they tongue lash these lawmakers the same way they do the civilians that pay their salaries? Disgusting...

Picking on people that are just trying to make a few ends meet instead of picking on real criminals.
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Yeah if anybody can tell me with a straight face that she’d have given her commanding officer’s wife (or husband) the same self righteous BS lecture if she’d pulled them over then we can begin to discuss whether or not she’s justified in doing it to an regular citizen.

But we all know there’s about a 0% of that ever happening. That’s exactly why her attempt at self righteousness falls flat on its face. It was simply her taking advantage of her opportunity exert authority over somebody she knows can’t really tell her to stfu.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
What probable cause do you have for any of those charges?
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Um.....you do know that half of what I listed gives LEO the PC to make a traffic stop.

Though, how about the next time someone files a motor vehicle theft report, unauthorized use, or a bolo comes across for a suicidal subject, welfare check or a suspect in a crime. The officer that comes across the vehicle that matches the description goes eh, I can’t read the tag and it seems awfully intrusive to do a traffic stop so I’ll just let this go and it turns out to be that person.

I get it, you don’t like Cops and you think traffic stop are intrusive. However, contrary to your belief, traffic stops have and will continue to prevent crime, DWI’s or catch a possible suspect that has committed a crime. Just a few weeks ago an individual that killed a family of 6 ( if I recall correctly) was caught by a traffic stop. PC for stop was a broken taillight. Are you really ok with letting that guy go bc you think it’s intrusive? Yes, that happens more than you know. Oh, Timothy Mcveigh, yup you guessed it, caught on a traffic stop by an officer that wasn’t even looking for a bombing suspect.

Traffic stops might seem like they don’t serve a purpose to you and I know you will argue to your last breath defending your position but they do serve a purpose even if you don’t see the bigger picture.

I would suggest you applying to become a officer if you’d like to make a change or see if your local department has a ride along program and see what a Officer’s day is really like instead of watching YouTube videos bc even I can’t justify all the officers on there.

Finally, I’ll say this, it’s such a small portion of the LEO community that people in this thread base their opinion on. Whether it’s the media, YouTube or a bad interaction with LEO I can assure you not every officer is what you think they are. Look at Greywolf and other officers that have responded in this thread. Most are like that and not what you’ve seen.

I’ll see myself out of this thread now. Enjoy the days, weeks and years and above all GO VOLS!
 
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A_Vol_n_Hog_Country said:
Um.....you do know that half of what I listed gives LEO the PC to make a traffic stop.

Though, how about the next time someone files a motor vehicle theft report, unauthorized use, or a bolo comes across for a suicidal subject, welfare check or a suspect in a crime. The officer that comes across the vehicle that matches the description goes eh, I can’t read the tag and it seems awfully intrusive to do a traffic stop so I’ll just let this go and it turns out to be that person.

I get it, you don’t like Cops and you think traffic stop are intrusive. However, contrary to your belief, traffic stops have and will continue to prevent crime, DWI’s or catch a possible suspect that has committed a crime. Just a few weeks ago an individual that killed a family of 6 ( if I recall correctly) was caught by a traffic stop. PC for stop was a broken taillight. Are you really ok with letting that guy go bc you think it’s intrusive? Yes, that happens more than you know

Traffic stops might seem like they don’t serve a purpose to you and I know you will argue to your last breath defending your position but they do serve a purpose even if you don’t see the bigger picture.

I would suggest you applying to become a officer if you’d like to make a change or see if your local department has a ride along program and see what a Officer’s day is really like instead of watching YouTube videos bc even I can’t justify all the officers on there.

Finally, I’ll say this, it’s such a small portion of the LEO community that people in this thread base their opinion on. Whether it’s the media, YouTube or a bad interaction with LEO I can assure you not every officer is what you think they are. Look at Greywolf and other officers that have responded in this thread. Most are like that and not what you’ve seen.

I’ll see myself out of this thread now. Enjoy the days, weeks and years and above all GO VOLS!
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Did you see the video (oh, you said you didn't)? Look at that POS vehicle and honestly tell me that you think a unique piece of work like that would be confused with some other vehicle that was allegedly involved in a crime. Criminals are constantly using camper top pickup trucks in crimes all of the time... esp. with a BS motor scooter hooked on the back. GTFOH...
 
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A_Vol_n_Hog_Country said:
I get it, you don’t like Cops and you think traffic stop are intrusive. However, contrary to your belief, traffic stops have and will continue to prevent crime, DWI’s or catch a possible suspect that has committed a crime. Just a few weeks ago an individual that killed a family of 6 ( if I recall correctly) was caught by a traffic stop. PC for stop was a broken taillight. Are you really ok with letting that guy go bc you think it’s intrusive? Yes, that happens more than you know. Oh, Timothy Mcveigh, yup you guessed it, caught on a traffic stop by an officer that wasn’t even looking for a bombing suspect.
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I would rather 10 guilty men go free than one innocent man get roped into this wicked system over a minor infraction.
 
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Funny that the one who waved off the EMT and made the comment about her head exploding is the one who died of brain cancer.

At least her death was probably painless. The cancer was probably already eating away at his brain starting his slow and painful death.
 
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Cdywolfe said:
Funny that the one who waved off the EMT and made the comment about her head exploding is the one who died of brain cancer.

At least her death was probably painless. The cancer was probably already eating away at his brain starting his slow and painful death.
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Good riddance.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Under the unchecked power of the police, no one is safe | The Seattle Times
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But as I pointed out two years ago, “Although African Americans bear the brunt of our refusal to demand accountability for police misbehavior, unchecked power ultimately has no racial loyalties.”
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This is my belief, as well. White folks have been getting shot A LOT lately by these trigger happy cops. And make no mistake, not just white cops, but by black cops, also.

This isn't about race, its about bad policing.
 
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A_Vol_n_Hog_Country said:
Um.....you do know that half of what I listed gives LEO the PC to make a traffic stop.

Though, how about the next time someone files a motor vehicle theft report, unauthorized use, or a bolo comes across for a suicidal subject, welfare check or a suspect in a crime. The officer that comes across the vehicle that matches the description goes eh, I can’t read the tag and it seems awfully intrusive to do a traffic stop so I’ll just let this go and it turns out to be that person.

I get it, you don’t like Cops and you think traffic stop are intrusive. However, contrary to your belief, traffic stops have and will continue to prevent crime, DWI’s or catch a possible suspect that has committed a crime. Just a few weeks ago an individual that killed a family of 6 ( if I recall correctly) was caught by a traffic stop. PC for stop was a broken taillight. Are you really ok with letting that guy go bc you think it’s intrusive? Yes, that happens more than you know. Oh, Timothy Mcveigh, yup you guessed it, caught on a traffic stop by an officer that wasn’t even looking for a bombing suspect.

Traffic stops might seem like they don’t serve a purpose to you and I know you will argue to your last breath defending your position but they do serve a purpose even if you don’t see the bigger picture.

I would suggest you applying to become a officer if you’d like to make a change or see if your local department has a ride along program and see what a Officer’s day is really like instead of watching YouTube videos bc even I can’t justify all the officers on there.

Finally, I’ll say this, it’s such a small portion of the LEO community that people in this thread base their opinion on. Whether it’s the media, YouTube or a bad interaction with LEO I can assure you not every officer is what you think they are. Look at Greywolf and other officers that have responded in this thread. Most are like that and not what you’ve seen.

I’ll see myself out of this thread now. Enjoy the days, weeks and years and above all GO VOLS!
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I don't have a problem with the stop in either video. It's what happened after the stop that's an issue. In video number one we have this cop telling the lady over and over "I'm not talking to you" because she wants an explanation. Real professional there. In the second, the lady in the car apologizes repeatedly while that cop continues giving her this condescending lecture. Then she has the audacity to flip a coin to decide if she's going to arrest her. I presume because she doesn't have the common sense to make a decision. IMO, both of the female cops is that second stop should be charged with kidnapping.
 
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