To Protect and to Serve II

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#5,851
Uhhh ohh... not even open container. It was open display of alcohol.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkLb-0-L5OA[/youtube]
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghVoIdyiyZY[/youtube]
 
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volbeast33 said:
I’m not arguing right or wrong but I will never understand why people want to fight back over minor issues like this.....you never win.... if you think you are wronged.... fight it legally after the fact.
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GMA brought up the fact the girl was on probation from a 2016 conviction. Therefore, as an underage person in possession of a bottle of alcohol, maybe that’s why she refused to give her last name, which in turn led to the unfortunate situation. Personal responsibility, yo.
 
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volbeast33 said:
I’m not arguing right or wrong but I will never understand why people want to fight back over minor issues like this.....you never win.... if you think you are wronged.... fight it legally after the fact.
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Yeah cause the courts have such a strong history of holding LE accountable.

I agree that obedience is generally the best course of action but not because it’s the right thing to do or because it’s best to fight it legally later. It’s generally best cause, whether they’re right or wrong, they’ll beat, tase, sick a vicious dog on, or kill you if you don’t.
 
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Cdywolfe said:
Yeah cause the courts have such a strong history of holding LE accountable.

I agree that obedience is generally the best course of action but not because it’s the right thing to do or because it’s best to fight it legally later. It’s generally best cause, whether they’re right or wrong, they’ll beat, tase, sick a vicious dog on, or kill you if you don’t.
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Which works in the cops favor 95% of the time. Most people don't want any trouble. They just want the cops out of their faces. ..

But God bless those 5% that don't conform or just happened to be in the wrong mood or mind on this particular day. The world needs more people like this.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Which works in the cops favor 95% of the time. Most people don't want any trouble. They just want the cops out of their faces. ..

But God bless those 5% that don't conform or just happened to be in the wrong mood or mind on this particular day. The world needs more people like this.
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I agree... IMO that cop in that first video you posted is somewhat lucky to have walked away from that in one piece. Eventually one’s gonna not be so lucky. Maybe they should start thinking twice before shooting people in the back as they’re running away (as well as once point blank when they’re already down).

I’d much rather the courts hold these guys accountable but they’ve made it clear they have little interest in doing so.
 
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I want one of the usual suspects to come in here and defend shooting someone with an open container in the back or slamming some broad on the sand for just displaying alcohol...
 
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The San Francisco Police Department’s general order on use of force states that officers may use deadly force only “as a last resort when reasonable alternatives have been exhausted or are not feasible to protect the safety of the public and police officers.”
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How the f*** are you gonna tell me this officer was justified using deadly force under these parameters? The crazy part is that’s exactly what they’ll say. They must really think we’re stupid.
 
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Cdywolfe said:
How the f*** are you gonna tell me this officer was justified using deadly force under these parameters? The crazy part is that’s exactly what they’ll say. They must really think we’re stupid.
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Unfortunately a good number of people will eagerly take it - hook, line, and sinker.
 
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Chattanooga police officer under investigation for allegedly drinking while in possession of a city vehicle - WRCBtv.com | Chattanooga News, Weather & Sports

Think you'd get this treatment?

The caller, an employee at Amigo's off Highway 58, called to report an intoxicated man inside what she identified as a police car.

"I'm pretty sure it may be an undercover police car. I'm pretty sure there's lights on the front of it," the caller stated. "He's laying down in the car seat now. I don't know if he's going to try and start his car or what?"

The Chattanooga Police Department confirms the man in the car was Lt. Craig Joel, a 20-year department veteran, who served as the department's public information officer and president of the Chattanooga Fire and Police Pension Fund Board.

A spokesperson also confirms the black Ford Fusion named in the report is a city-owned vehicle.

The responding officer noted Joel "appeared to be extremely intoxicated," but he did not pursue charges because he only saw Joel outside the car.

But wait there's more:

In 2004, he was suspended without pay for five days after a crash involving his patrol car.

He was found not at fault for causing the crash, but a breathalyzer showed his blood alcohol content was .09 percent, which is over the legal limit of .08 percent.

He was not charged but did lose his take-home car privileges for four months and was required to attend counseling.
 
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DancingOutlaw said:
Chattanooga police officer under investigation for allegedly drinking while in possession of a city vehicle - WRCBtv.com | Chattanooga News, Weather & Sports

Think you'd get this treatment?

The caller, an employee at Amigo's off Highway 58, called to report an intoxicated man inside what she identified as a police car.

"I'm pretty sure it may be an undercover police car. I'm pretty sure there's lights on the front of it," the caller stated. "He's laying down in the car seat now. I don't know if he's going to try and start his car or what?"

The Chattanooga Police Department confirms the man in the car was Lt. Craig Joel, a 20-year department veteran, who served as the department's public information officer and president of the Chattanooga Fire and Police Pension Fund Board.

A spokesperson also confirms the black Ford Fusion named in the report is a city-owned vehicle.

The responding officer noted Joel "appeared to be extremely intoxicated," but he did not pursue charges because he only saw Joel outside the car.

But wait there's more:

In 2004, he was suspended without pay for five days after a crash involving his patrol car.

He was found not at fault for causing the crash, but a breathalyzer showed his blood alcohol content was .09 percent, which is over the legal limit of .08 percent.

He was not charged but did lose his take-home car privileges for four months and was required to attend counseling.
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Professional courtesy!
 
#5,864
#5,864
Sigh...

So last night, myself and another officer split the cost of a room for two guys who had been stranded in our town. Reason we we there in the first place was that one of them had allegedly threatened suicide to family members. He denied everything, so did his friend who was with him. I questioned both of them for 30 minutes to ensure the guy wasn't lying and hadn't just ingested an entire bottle of pills, like we were told.

He had enough (legal) prescription medication for three people (mental health, etc). They had both just gotten out of rehab. They had no cell phones, no ride (they had been ditched after paying $30 by another guy who had gotten out of rehab with them)...I believed what they were telling us to be the truth.

All they said they wanted was to get home to see their kids (75 miles away for the both of them). Best we could do was put them up for the night and let them keep what little money they had for an Uber or Lyft...because the guy who had allegedly threatened suicide had apparently burned enough bridges with his wife and family that no one was picking him up. He was obviously upset when we called his wife and she told me that she wasn't going to pick him up.

We give both of them the speech..."get right with your family, do what needs to be done, stop f***ing around with meth, heroin, and a**holes who enable that behavior....wish you the best...don't want to see you again..." etc. etc.

As soon as we leave dude calls his wife from the room and begins a shouting match over the phone. So loud that the other guy steps out of the room and still plainly hears everything with the door shut. It gets quiet, he goes back inside...dude had taken 4 bottles of his meds. He's alive, but barely.

Meanwhile, I'm hooking a dude up across town for beating the sh** out of his wife and daughter when the call comes out, in the room we put them in, of an unresponsive male who'd taken several bottles of pills.

This, ladies and gentlemen, is what we deal with on a daily basis. I'm not afraid to admit that it f'd me up for a bit, but I still had 5 hours on shift and I went back to work. Had to. I was still able to talk with the guy I had arrested in a way that he actually thanked me for being courteous to him and his son, who showed up as he was being placed in my back seat.

We have some turds of our own that give the rest of us bad names but, contrary to what you might believe, there are more good than bad.
 
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orangeblood79 said:
Sigh...

So last night, myself and another officer split the cost of a room for two guys who had been stranded in our town. Reason we we there in the first place was that one of them had allegedly threatened suicide to family members. He denied everything, so did his friend who was with him. I questioned both of them for 30 minutes to ensure the guy wasn't lying and hadn't just ingested an entire bottle of pills, like we were told.

He had enough (legal) prescription medication for three people (mental health, etc). They had both just gotten out of rehab. They had no cell phones, no ride (they had been ditched after paying $30 by another guy who had gotten out of rehab with them)...I believed what they were telling us to be the truth.

All they said they wanted was to get home to see their kids (75 miles away for the both of them). Best we could do was put them up for the night and let them keep what little money they had for an Uber or Lyft...because the guy who had allegedly threatened suicide had apparently burned enough bridges with his wife and family that no one was picking him up. He was obviously upset when we called his wife and she told me that she wasn't going to pick him up.

We give both of them the speech..."get right with your family, do what needs to be done, stop f***ing around with meth, heroin, and a**holes who enable that behavior....wish you the best...don't want to see you again..." etc. etc.

As soon as we leave dude calls his wife from the room and begins a shouting match over the phone. So loud that the other guy steps out of the room and still plainly hears everything with the door shut. It gets quiet, he goes back inside...dude had taken 4 bottles of his meds. He's alive, but barely.

Meanwhile, I'm hooking a dude up across town for beating the sh** out of his wife and daughter when the call comes out, in the room we put them in, of an unresponsive male who'd taken several bottles of pills.

This, ladies and gentlemen, is what we deal with on a daily basis. I'm not afraid to admit that it f'd me up for a bit, but I still had 5 hours on shift and I went back to work. Had to. I was still able to talk with the guy I had arrested in a way that he actually thanked me for being courteous to him and his son, who showed up as he was being placed in my back seat.

We have some turds of our own that give the rest of us bad names but, contrary to what you might believe, there are more good than bad.
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That’s a tough gig. You’re definitely one of the good ones. I know I wouldn’t handle that kind of situation with the calm you described. Stay safe out there.
 
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#5,867
orangeblood79 said:
Sigh...

So last night, myself and another officer split the cost of a room for two guys who had been stranded in our town. Reason we we there in the first place was that one of them had allegedly threatened suicide to family members. He denied everything, so did his friend who was with him. I questioned both of them for 30 minutes to ensure the guy wasn't lying and hadn't just ingested an entire bottle of pills, like we were told.

He had enough (legal) prescription medication for three people (mental health, etc). They had both just gotten out of rehab. They had no cell phones, no ride (they had been ditched after paying $30 by another guy who had gotten out of rehab with them)...I believed what they were telling us to be the truth.

All they said they wanted was to get home to see their kids (75 miles away for the both of them). Best we could do was put them up for the night and let them keep what little money they had for an Uber or Lyft...because the guy who had allegedly threatened suicide had apparently burned enough bridges with his wife and family that no one was picking him up. He was obviously upset when we called his wife and she told me that she wasn't going to pick him up.

We give both of them the speech..."get right with your family, do what needs to be done, stop f***ing around with meth, heroin, and a**holes who enable that behavior....wish you the best...don't want to see you again..." etc. etc.

As soon as we leave dude calls his wife from the room and begins a shouting match over the phone. So loud that the other guy steps out of the room and still plainly hears everything with the door shut. It gets quiet, he goes back inside...dude had taken 4 bottles of his meds. He's alive, but barely.

Meanwhile, I'm hooking a dude up across town for beating the sh** out of his wife and daughter when the call comes out, in the room we put them in, of an unresponsive male who'd taken several bottles of pills.

This, ladies and gentlemen, is what we deal with on a daily basis. I'm not afraid to admit that it f'd me up for a bit, but I still had 5 hours on shift and I went back to work. Had to. I was still able to talk with the guy I had arrested in a way that he actually thanked me for being courteous to him and his son, who showed up as he was being placed in my back seat.


We have some turds of our own that give the rest of us bad names but, contrary to what you might believe, there are more good than bad.
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I believe the vast majority of cops are good. Unfortunately it's the bad ones that make the headlines.
 
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#5,870
orangeblood79 said:
Sigh...

So last night, myself and another officer split the cost of a room for two guys who had been stranded in our town. Reason we we there in the first place was that one of them had allegedly threatened suicide to family members. He denied everything, so did his friend who was with him. I questioned both of them for 30 minutes to ensure the guy wasn't lying and hadn't just ingested an entire bottle of pills, like we were told.

He had enough (legal) prescription medication for three people (mental health, etc). They had both just gotten out of rehab. They had no cell phones, no ride (they had been ditched after paying $30 by another guy who had gotten out of rehab with them)...I believed what they were telling us to be the truth.

All they said they wanted was to get home to see their kids (75 miles away for the both of them). Best we could do was put them up for the night and let them keep what little money they had for an Uber or Lyft...because the guy who had allegedly threatened suicide had apparently burned enough bridges with his wife and family that no one was picking him up. He was obviously upset when we called his wife and she told me that she wasn't going to pick him up.

We give both of them the speech..."get right with your family, do what needs to be done, stop f***ing around with meth, heroin, and a**holes who enable that behavior....wish you the best...don't want to see you again..." etc. etc.

As soon as we leave dude calls his wife from the room and begins a shouting match over the phone. So loud that the other guy steps out of the room and still plainly hears everything with the door shut. It gets quiet, he goes back inside...dude had taken 4 bottles of his meds. He's alive, but barely.

Meanwhile, I'm hooking a dude up across town for beating the sh** out of his wife and daughter when the call comes out, in the room we put them in, of an unresponsive male who'd taken several bottles of pills.

This, ladies and gentlemen, is what we deal with on a daily basis. I'm not afraid to admit that it f'd me up for a bit, but I still had 5 hours on shift and I went back to work. Had to. I was still able to talk with the guy I had arrested in a way that he actually thanked me for being courteous to him and his son, who showed up as he was being placed in my back seat.

We have some turds of our own that give the rest of us bad names but, contrary to what you might believe, there are more good than bad.
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I believe it.
 
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#5,871
Regardless of our personal feelings towards law enforcement in general, I'd hope we could all agree that drivers which are issued a citation for impeding the path of an emergency vehicle deserve to pay every penny of that ticket.

Saw an EMS ambulance with siren and lights going full blast get stuck behind two vehicles pacing each other in the left and center lanes this morning. Every other vehicle moved out of the way except those two retards who continued plodding along like nothing was happening.

Three lane highway mind you, so there was plenty of room to get the **** out of the way. As luck would have it, two motorcycle cops saw the whole thing and pulled them over after the ambulance had to go all the way into the far right lane to pass.

Sorry if this triggers someone, but fire and EMS need to be given the right of way whenever possible.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Regardless of our personal feelings towards law enforcement in general, I'd hope we could all agree that drivers which are issued a citation for impeding the path of an emergency vehicle deserve to pay every penny of that ticket.

Saw an EMS ambulance with siren and lights going full blast get stuck behind two vehicles pacing each other in the left and center lanes this morning. Every other vehicle moved out of the way except those two retards who continued plodding along like nothing was happening.

Three lane highway mind you, so there was plenty of room to get the **** out of the way. As luck would have it, two motorcycle cops saw the whole thing and pulled them over after the ambulance had to go all the way into the far right lane to pass.

Sorry if this triggers someone, but fire and EMS need to be given the right of way whenever possible.
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I've got mixed feelings on this because it does deal with a base, human emotion I have of wanting to see these people that impede traffic given some sort of punishment. However at the same time, I don't think a ticket/citation is warranted, either. There were a few people cheering not too long ago about a slow driver getting a ticket for driving in the passing lane and holding up traffic and the event you saw this morning is just a step above that where they are actually impeding emergency vehicles.

I get it. They are either being a-holes or (likely) just unaware of their surrounds and the situation while they are driving. On an emotional level, I understand. These drivers piss me off too.

But, I don't think they deserve a ticket/fine or any type of punitive action. If Erik Estrada and the gang want to pullover the two of them and give them a good lesson about the rules of the road, I guess that is OK, but I'm not really a big fan of getting lectured to by LEOs that are guilty of abusing the blue lights they turn on just to race through traffic right before lunch or time to leave work.

Believe me... I understand. It pizzes me off, also.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I've got mixed feelings on this because it does deal with a base, human emotion I have of wanting to see these people that impede traffic given some sort of punishment. However at the same time, I don't think a ticket/citation is warranted, either. There were a few people cheering not too long ago about a slow driver getting a ticket for driving in the passing lane and holding up traffic and the event you saw this morning is just a step above that where they are actually impeding emergency vehicles.

I get it. They are either being a-holes or (likely) just unaware of their surrounds and the situation while they are driving. On an emotional level, I understand. These drivers piss me off too.

But, I don't think they deserve a ticket/fine or any type of punitive action. If Erik Estrada and the gang want to pullover the two of them and give them a good lesson about the rules of the road, I guess that is OK, but I'm not really a big fan of getting lectured to by LEOs that are guilty of abusing the blue lights they turn on just to race through traffic right before lunch or time to leave work.

Believe me... I understand. It pizzes me off, also.
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I think it's two entirely different situations when we are talking Granny in in the left lane blocking the normal flow of traffic versus knucklehead blocking an ambulance or fire truck.

One is an annoyance. The other has life ending ramifications if they are delayed too long.
 
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Grand Vol said:
I think it's two entirely different situations when we are talking Granny in in the left lane blocking the normal flow of traffic versus knucklehead blocking an ambulance or fire truck.

One is an annoyance. The other has life ending ramifications if they are delayed too long.
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This. I cant even imagine wanting to try to justify it not being unlawful.

Pull them over and issue a ticket. Dont risk someone's life because you're simply an *******.
 
#5,875
#5,875
I just can't imagine what kind of dick you'd have to be to impede an ambulance. But, if you feel the need to do so, Karma is a *****.
 
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