To Protect and to Serve II

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#3,676
MercyPercy said:
Yes, we are all familiar with your story. However to take the story and then use it to determine most crimes committed are done so because of drug addiction is absurd. That's now how we determine a fact.

I'm sure next up will be "my cop buddy told me so" But again, that's now how this works. You made a huge claim and I want you to back it up with substance.
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Oh yeah, I'll add this also.

If a guy is addicted to meth and he's tweaking because he doesn't have any and he has no money, he will do whatever it takes to get some. Let's say he ribs a house and gets caught and is arrested for breaking and entering, does he get charged with a possession charge? No, he gets charged with a breaking and entering charge. That's why all your stats are meaningless.
 
#3,677
#3,677
InVOLuntary said:
Having a military takes funds. Funds cone fro taxation. To me it really doesn't matter what type of tax it id, it's all taxation that the consumer pays, eventually.
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The income tax and the rate of taxes paid by citizens before 1913 was able to adequately maintain the military.
 
#3,680
#3,680
InVOLuntary said:
I've talked to DAs, policemen, and court people. Anyone that has knowledge of the real world and does this stuff for a living will tell you that drugs are the leading cause for most of the robbery, burglaries and other serious crime. Choose to believe it or not, I don't care. Live in your fantasy land.
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It should be easy for you to find some statistics to back that up if it is so obvious. I would hope your research and critical thinking skills would be sufficient to accomplish this.

So far.. you're just plugging your fingers in your ears and telling yourself you're right.
 
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#3,681
#3,681
InVOLuntary said:
So you agree that some taxation, in some form, is necessary to maintain some sort of military?
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I have no issue with taxes, per se. I'm not a full anarcho-capitalist such as DTH. I'm simply saying that the income tax is an unjust tax and that this country didn't need income tax before 1913.

And what is your fixation with funding the military?
 
#3,682
#3,682
MercyPercy said:
It should be easy for you to find some statistics to back that up if it is so obvious. I would hope your research and critical thinking skills would be sufficient to accomplish this.

So far.. you're just plugging your fingers in your ears and telling yourself you're right.
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Statistics don't paint a true picture. Keep your blinders on and believe what you wish. Since you're all into challenges, why don't you get off your lazy ass and go talk to people that do it every day as I have?
 
#3,683
#3,683
Rasputin_Vol said:
I have no issue with taxes, per se. I'm not a full anarcho-capitalist such as DTH. I'm simply saying that the income tax is an unjust tax and that this country didn't need income tax before 1913.

And what is your fixation with funding the military?
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Perhaps you should go back and read how the conversation progressed. DTH is against all taxes. It's my opinion one taxes are necessary for certain things, the military being one of those things. You look at income tax being different for some reason while I don't differentiate one tax from another, the American citizen pays them all.

I hate taxes as much as anybody. I want the smallest government possible but I also realize the need for government and the need for some taxes.
 
#3,684
#3,684
InVOLuntary said:
Perhaps you should go back and read how the conversation progressed. DTH is against all taxes.
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I'm fully aware of how it started, that is why I clearly just told you that I am not at the anarcho level with DTH.

Again, what I am clearly telling you is that the income tax is not needed to fund the military or to run any other govt functions. The reason for needing an income tax is to pay off the interest to the loans we borrow from the FED.

The reason I feel differently about the income tax is because it is a tax that I pay based on my labor and output, not based on what I actually consume and use. I have no real issue with a gas tax if that tax is used to fund road projects. I can also control how much I pay of that tax based on driving or spending habits.
 
#3,685
#3,685
Rasputin_Vol said:
I'm fully aware of how it started, that is why I clearly just told you that I am not at the anarcho level with DTH.

Again, what I am clearly telling you is that the income tax is not needed to fund the military or to run any other govt functions. The reason for needing an income tax is to pay off the interest to the loans we borrow from the FED.

The reason I feel differently about the income tax is because it is a tax that I pay based on my labor and output, not based on what I actually consume and use. I have no real issue with a gas tax if that tax is used to fund road projects. I can also control how much I pay of that tax based on driving or spending habits.
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Again, it's all tax that you and I pay. It's the amount that the government takes that should be your concern. Why do you care what they call it if it is the same amount of money? $1 of tax is a $1 of tax.
 
#3,686
#3,686
InVOLuntary said:
Again, it's all tax that you and I pay. It's the amount that the government takes that should be your concern. Why do you care what they call it if it is the same amount of money? $1 of tax is a $1 of tax.
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Let me try this again since you did not see it or pay attention to it...

The reason I feel differently about the income tax is because it is a tax that I pay based on my labor and output, not based on what I actually consume and use. I have no real issue with a gas tax if that tax is used to fund road projects. I can also control how much I pay of that tax based on driving or spending habits.
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I wouldn't necessarily have to pay $1 of tax. It would be based on what I consume.
 
#3,687
#3,687
Rasputin_Vol said:
Let me try this again since you did not see it or pay attention to it...



I wouldn't necessarily have to pay $1 of tax. It would be based on what I consume.
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Let me say this so you'll understand, the government has to have x amount of money to provide whatever service you deem necessary for it to provide. We used the military as an example. They are going to get that money one way or another through taxation. You can call it what you want but they are going to get it. You have already said you agree that the military needs some money so that means someone has to pay taxes to raise that money. Surely you can understand this. It's really not that hard.

Here's another idea. If you don't want to pay taxes, leave.
 
#3,688
#3,688
InVOLuntary said:
Let me say this so you'll understand, the government has to have x amount of money to provide whatever service you deem necessary for it to provide. We used the military as an example. They are going to get that money one way or another through taxation. You can call it what you want but they are going to get it. You have already said you agree that the military needs some money so that means someone has to pay taxes to raise that money. Surely you can understand this. It's really not that hard.

Here's another idea. If you don't want to pay taxes, leave.
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There it is, if you don't want to be robbed to pay for the things he wants, you can leave. lol
 
#3,690
#3,690
InVOLuntary said:
Let me say this so you'll understand, the government has to have x amount of money to provide whatever service you deem necessary for it to provide. We used the military as an example. They are going to get that money one way or another through taxation. You can call it what you want but they are going to get it. You have already said you agree that the military needs some money so that means someone has to pay taxes to raise that money. Surely you can understand this. It's really not that hard.

Here's another idea. If you don't want to pay taxes, leave.
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What is your malfunction? I'm just not a fan of the income tax. IDK how much clearer it could be.
 
#3,693
#3,693
Rasputin_Vol said:
You have a strange fixation with the military. Your entire defense of taxes has been built around the need for a larger military industrial complex.
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It's the example we were using. It's one example that we all agree on is a necessary function of government. I didn't use another example because I didn't want to get into another tangent discussion about whether it was something the government should be involved in. It's really not his difficult.
 
#3,694
#3,694
Rasputin_Vol said:
You have a strange fixation with the military. Your entire defense of taxes has been built around the need for a larger military industrial complex.
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It's one of the greatest things to spend money on. Defense, innovation, skills, trades, all while serving a purpose.
 
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