To Protect and to Serve II

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If you watch that video to the end the news guy says something profound. "There is something wrong with how we are training cops, they have no respect for human life anymore, they take it without cause or concern". I paraphrased somewhat, but it gets the point across. A bean bag gun or a Taser could have taken this guy down and if they couldn't, stay far enough back he can't lunge and stab you.
The more I see these kind of things the less respect I have for the police.
 
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hog88 said:
Could have used a taser.
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Actually, they did use a taser. Look and listen at the video of the first angle. then immediately after the taser was launched, the guy with the rifle let off a shot... then a second after he had fallen and hit the ground.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Actually, they did use a taser. Look and listen at the video of the first angle. then immediately after the taser was launched, the guy with the rifle let off a shot... then a second after he had fallen and hit the ground.
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I heard the tazer, not sure why the guy fired after that.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21y-X0E_nLo[/youtube]
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I normally despise TYT but he's spot on here.

We're seeing snuff film, after snuff film, after snuff film. Cities paying out millions to families, there has to be a better way. It's been said the wars a nation fights abroad eventually come home. I think we're seeing that very thing come to fruition. Had the guy lunged at an officer, I wouldn't have a problem with him being shot. That didn't happen, matter of fact, once the taser was rightfully deployed the rifle shot follows a few seconds later.... wtf was that??
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
I normally despise TYT but he's spot on here.

We're seeing snuff film, after snuff film, after snuff film. Cities paying out millions to families, there has to be a better way. It's been said the wars a nation fights abroad eventually come home. I think we're seeing that very thing come to fruition. Had the guy lunged at an officer, I wouldn't have a problem with him being shot. That didn't happen, matter of fact, once the taser was rightfully deployed the rifle shot follows a few seconds later.... wtf was that??
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What you saw was a guy getting killed for no reason. Will the guy with the rifle that shot him face any consequences, most likely not, he was a cop and he felt threatened. Yeah sure he did. He heard a noise and killed the guy.
I've been on a few jury's in my life, the guy that pulled the trigger is going to prison.
 
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Carl Pickens said:
Nah.... just pointing out my usual..... these things most always start with someone doing something really stupid....

That appears to be an unwarranted shooting
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They're criminals. They do stupid things. That goes along with the territory when you sign up to be a cop. But that doesn't mean that a cop has a license to kill for that reason.
 
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A taser appears to have been utilized. In these situations you have lethal and less-lethal cover (someone with a gun a someone with a taser). In this situation, a taser is the preferred method, not deadly force.

It appears that when the taser is deployed, the lethal cover officer fires. That's not cowardice, it's negligence, quite possibly gross negligence.

For all of you who harp about police needing to be trained better, you're right. This is the most unfortunate example that can be used to illustrate that point but the ONLY way that happens is more funding to LEO's. You want better trained cops, it doesn't come free.
 
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orangeblood79 said:
A taser appears to have been utilized. In these situations you have lethal and less-lethal cover (someone with a gun a someone with a taser). In this situation, a taser is the preferred method, not deadly force.

It appears that when the taser is deployed, the lethal cover officer fires. That's not cowardice, it's negligence, quite possibly gross negligence.

For all of you who harp about police needing to be trained better, you're right. This is the most unfortunate example that can be used to illustrate that point but the ONLY way that happens is more funding to LEO's. You want better trained cops, it doesn't come free.
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Yep the only way anything gets better is more money. What the hell do the cops do with the funding they already get?
 
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VolStrom said:
Yep the only way anything gets better is more money. What the hell do the cops do with the funding they already get?
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Better training costs lots of things; time, facilities, instructors and, yes, money.

If you can suggest a way around that, I'm ALL for it.
 
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orangeblood79 said:
Better training costs lots of things; time, facilities, instructors and, yes, money.

If you can suggest a way around that, I'm ALL for it.
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I can suggest that your city/county act more like a business and make do with the money you have. If you don't have any money for training then you have too many officers. If you want to whine about how bad you have it, work for a company that has to make a profit to survive. I am sick of government employees complaining that they need more money.
 
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orangeblood79 said:
Better training costs lots of things; time, facilities, instructors and, yes, money.

If you can suggest a way around that, I'm ALL for it.
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You could spend it on the front end on training as opposed to the back end on lawsuits and fewer people would get killed between the bookends.
 
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orangeblood79 said:
It appears that when the taser is deployed, the lethal cover officer fires. That's not cowardice, it's negligence, quite possibly gross negligence.
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Negligent homicide? That officer needs to be charged and go before a jury. We can't have different rules for different people or society will rise up.
 
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VolStrom said:
I can suggest that your city/county act more like a business and make do with the money you have. If you don't have any money for training then you have too many officers. If you want to whine about how bad you have it, work for a company that has to make a profit to survive. I am sick of government employees complaining that they need more money.
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Who's whining? I'm agreeing with you.

I worked in the private sector for well over a decade before I made the decision to dedicate my career to law enforcement, including a nonprofit and a job where my sole purpose was generating enough business to establish a new office in a new city for a established company.

I am a proponent of more training, through police acadamies, field training programs, annual in-service and all points in between. If there's a way to stretch a dime into a dollar at no extra expense I'm all for.

Take your sanctimonious attitude elsewhere.

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You could spend it on the front end on training as opposed to the back end on lawsuits and fewer people would get killed between the bookends.
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Lawsuits are going to happen, period, but I agree. I believe the best way to better train officers is in the beginning, at the academy.

I believe police academies should be 16 weeks, minimum, with 10 week field training programs.

davethevol said:
Negligent homicide? That officer needs to be charged and go before a jury. We can't have different rules for different people or society will rise up.
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That's my point. Negligence, especially gross negligence, inevitably leads to criminal charges.
 
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Probably not LEO related, but funny how this robber gets casually dismissed.

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