Time to replace John Currie

#53
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Volfan76 said:
Actually I am...but people who hold me accountable with what I do with it.
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It's easy to lie on the internet. If you have the same emotionally driven attitude towards your job, I'm sure you get held "accountable" all the time.
 
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Volfan76 said:
At this point there is absolutely no reason for Butch to still be on campus. Now it's time to think about the future of the UT football program and holding on to what little improvements that Butch has been able to make over the last 5 years. It was understandable that Butch would have been allowed to take the Bama beating before being released, but now the program, the players, and the fans need to be concerned with next year and after. The only possible reasons for Butch to still have a job:
1. Currie believes that Butch can turn this around.-I don't think this could possibly be the case but it had to be mentioned as a possibility.
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2. The reports of the buyout being reduced if Butch doesn't make a bowl game are true. If this is the case and Currie is willing to damage the recruiting class, the new coaches, the current players, and the fan base to save money after everything that everybody has been put through, then this job is too big for him.
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3. Currie just has not clue what he is doing and what it is costing the program.

The players and fans deserve more than this. We deserve to have hope for the future and instead we are still all paying for the many many mistakes of the UT athletic administration while they try to save money. Saving money is what got us here in the first place. An interim coach can give the program and fan base a shot in the arm and is the only hope we have at getting to a bowl game and giving the new coaching staff the extra practices that are so valuable to player development. If Currie is willing to throw this away to save money, then this program is too big for him. If he doesn't care any more about they program than this, it is time to replace him as well. I for one, don't want to have to listen to the new staff talk about the "improvements" that UT has made because they made it to a bowl game. Or watch another AD give a coach extensions and pay raises for getting the program back to mediocrity. If Butch was good at anything it was recruiting. I don't want to see this undone over the UT admin's desire to save money. If they want to save money, I think it's time for the fans to save money and stay home on game day until the admin takes winning seriously. The AD made these mistakes and instead of owning the mistakes, they want the players and the fans to pay for it. If this is the case, I say it's time to get a AD that can handle a program that expects winning and will accept nothing less. That is all.
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Darn right. WE VN posters know far more than those idiots who do this for a living.

Dumb post of the year.
 
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ButchPlz said:
Why should he say a damn word to the fans? You want this band of imbeciles having any influence on the process?

Also, you're making a mighty big assumption that no actions have been taken. Are you in Mr. Currie's inner circle?
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Yes I am.
 
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#56
No need to be upset yet. This season is garbage. I will withhold judgement until a new coach is announced.
 
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Ten_Titans said:
In no business I've ever seen is it smart to keep a dead man on staff.

Having Butch to pretend to be in charge while everyone knows he is done doesn't make any sense. "But you don't know what's going on behind the scenes". Okay. Neither do you. So if we are left to assume... I think the safest assumption is that Currie is treating the head coaching job like every other position of employment in the country: If you aren't fired, it's because it hasn't been decided you are fired, and there is something you can do to save your job.

Go Kentucky.
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I think Currie probably has two different scenarios he's considering. One, Butch loses to you guys this weekend and it's over. He may not announce right away but the phone calls to other coaches begin in earnest if they haven't already and Butch is made aware he will be let go at season's end. Or two, he goes 8-4/7-5 (which I don't think anyone on this board thinks he's capable of) and gets us to a bowl game. Even then, I think Currie has something in the works because 8-4/7-5 tell a horrid story when you look at our losses.
 
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Ten_Titans said:
In no business I've ever seen is it smart to keep a dead man on staff.

Having Butch to pretend to be in charge while everyone knows he is done doesn't make any sense. "But you don't know what's going on behind the scenes". Okay. Neither do you. So if we are left to assume... I think the safest assumption is that Currie is treating the head coaching job like every other position of employment in the country: If you aren't fired, it's because it hasn't been decided you are fired, and there is something you can do to save your job.

Go Kentucky.
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I've had plenty of situations where a person is going to be fired long before they are fired. 30 day notices from the new hire, difficulty finding people for license specific positions, timing based on regulatory compliance surveys, etc . I assume that a high paid, educated, experienced AD is doing smart things until it is proven otherwise. If your assumption is that a qualified person for a job is a bumbling idiot without any justification other than current inaction, then that's your choice.
 
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Sometimes, an interim coach is the boost that a team needs to get motivated. I don't think anyone thinks Larry Scott is a great head coach candidate, but he performed much better as interim than the coach they let go while at Miami.

Orgeron is not a better coach than Miles, but the team performed better once Miles left LSU.

When a coach loses the locker room, it's time for them to leave. That in and of its self can allow a team to perform better on the field.

We are way past time for an interim. We need a change now to avoid an 8 loss (or worse) season.
 
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Volfan76 said:
Easy to go around attacking someone and calling them a liar. Grow up kid.
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I'm just calling a spade a spade. Someone who thinks a brand new AD should be fired for not giving him instant gratification for something that's going to happen anyway is the one who need to grow up. Grow up kid.
 
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TN_Transplant said:
Sometimes, an interim coach is the boost that a team needs to get motivated. I don't think anyone thinks Larry Scott is a great head coach candidate, but he performed much better as interim than the coach they let go while at Miami.

Orgeron is not a better coach than Miles, but the team performed better once Miles left LSU.

When a coach loses the locker room, it's time for them to leave. That in and of its self can allow a team to perform better on the field.

We are way past time for an interim. We need a change now to avoid an 8 loss (or worse) season.
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Butch has clearly lost the team and throwing the players under the bus like he did today isn't going to change anything.
 
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Volfan2012 said:
Heard today that Butch is in a ultimatum game at Kentucky. He has to win that game or he is fired. If he wins there we keep plugging along with him until he loses another game this season.
Several boosters want him fired now but the Haslams still holding out.
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Nice! When you miss; they reset the target!
 
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Volfan76 said:
Butch has clearly lost the team and throwing the players under the bus like he did today isn't going to change anything.
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Exactly. He is poison to the locker room, much like a disgruntled star player who no longer wants to be a part of the program.

It's time for Butch to go, for the kids sake. We need an interim now.
 
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Volfan2012 said:
Heard today that Butch is in a ultimatum game at Kentucky. He has to win that game or he is fired. If he wins there we keep plugging along with him until he loses another game this season.
Several boosters want him fired now but the Haslams still holding out.
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We have been hearing that since Ga but if this is even close to being true then this University has given up on winning and just into taking the fans money. There is no reason to keep Butch. The waterboy can stand on the sideline and do Butch job.
 
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Does anyone on here have experience working in or around a major D1 program? I know we have some former players (VFL!) but I find it comical that armchair QBs DEMAND their opinions be taken as truth before the situation has even resolved.

There are more factors than any of us know at play. We can guess to the facts but unless someone has a inside source we are making assumptions and look foolish dealing in absolutes.

What we know is that team 121 is performing well below expectations and, at this point, CBJ is likely done.

What we don't know is who the AD is talking to (more likely whose agents they are talking to) and what their interest level is. No current coach having a successful season wants the distraction of rumors to impact their season or demoralize their teams. If their teams tank on speculation it deleverages them in their negotiation and, most importantly, is unfair to their team and school.

If we have reached out to anyone high on our list and they said "no thanks" it would be unwise to make changes if you don't believe the alternative would create a better outcome.

Scheme isn't changing this deep into the year. Players are not changing. Play calling is typically as good as your ability to execute and we have a two start QB who takes a VERY long time to read his progressions (this will improve with experience). It is what it is so why make it worse?

The kids still appear to be playing hard and the softest part of the schedule is here. We can beat any of the teams left (save maybe LSU) and it is best to have minimal disruption unless there is someone who can step in and make instant improvements. Who is that? Probably no one unfortunately.

Be a grown up and give the guy a chance to work the problem. If he screws it up then fire away or put your name in for the AD job. If you are the right person to lead us back to the glory days I'll give you my vote!
 
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UTRavens said:
I'm just calling a spade a spade. Someone who thinks a brand new AD should be fired for not giving him instant gratification for something that's going to happen anyway is the one who need to grow up. Grow up kid.
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If you don't like the thread...you know where the door is.
 
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Hubbard said:
And we now present the daily hissy fit.
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No kidding. Not even a year on the job and folks want him fired. UT does that and who the hell would want to take a position here? Simply asinine. We hired the man to do the job bit then expect him to jump when the keyboard mob speaks. Never dawned on some of these keyboard cowboys living in mom's basement that maybe Currie does have a plan and knows what he's doing especially from a legal and financial standpoint. Sometimes I do wonder if we don't have one of the worst fan baeses in the country.
 
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John Currie is just a figurehead

I was told by someone reliable that Currie "will not" be making the hiring and firing decision at UT.

I suspect this is why Blackburn was not hired
 
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#73
Guys, come on here. I know we're all frustrated but Currie has been here 7 months, let him do his job. He's far from the only guy who has to make this decision, it'll be made above him, and he has to get everybody on the same page. Also, we don't know what he's doing behind the scenes

I wanted Sgt Carter's ass gone after UGA, but let's try to be reasonable here. At worst gonna be gone at the end of the season, at best it'll be after Kentucky on Sunday. Let's have a little patience and not call for everybody's head here....it only reduces our credibility imo.
 
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The season is OVER. This team is crap and we aren't going to "save" it by firing Butch before it is over.

Every game reduces the buyout another 500k.

Currie is actively pursuing the next coach (or has him already locked up) I am sure
 
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YorkVol said:
Coaches start looking for new jobs, less motivated to put any effort into the game plans, recruiting suffers, players lose motivation and start skipping classes, APR drops, players get into trouble etc, etc. Yeah, we really really suck on the field, and Jones needs to go, but it could be a lot worse. If Currie has a replacement to name at the same he lets Jones go, then he can preserve program.
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Yeah, Ive seen plenty of "Motivation" to put in Game Plans; LMAO----and Players' Motivation. EVERYONE knows what's coming, the when is all's left.
 
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