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#76
#76
Crazy idea here....why don't we all just let this play out and we'll know soon enough what we're dealing with. We will know if he's on track to be the next coming of (you plug in the derogatory name) or the next Cam Newton. All this hypertension either way is simply a waste of emotion. I don't know yet....You don't know yet...None of God's children know yet...
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
That's perhaps the problem for Bailey in Heupel's offense.

While this offense was new to all the QBs, Milton and Hooker had seen offenses change before...... just experience seeing a new coach come in and radically change things and they could be more comfortable with changes. Maurer and Bailey had never seen that.

Bailey isn't the kind of QB Heupel normally recruits. I'll confess, I don't know if he recruited Bailey but I'm betting he didn't (not that he'd have had a shot but he DID recruit Milton (albeit at Missouri) and Maurer, as I recall.) That's not to say Bailey isn't good but to say Heupel has "a type" of QB for his style of offense.

Bailey also is in an awful generation where the portal is EXPLODING in its effect on rosters. I was terrified for our defense until the coaches filled in positions from the portal. Pruitt reached for Hooker with JG, Bailey, Shrout, Maurer, and Salter in the room...... not that Pruitt has two functional brain cells to rub together as a coach..... but he could get a quality QB, not a Fields or Burrow, but a good, experienced QB from the portal. Heupel could get Milton and did. Bailey has seen the beginning of "musical chairs: roster version" and it didn't work in his favor this year.

Honestly, while I hope Bailey stays, other than possibly USCe, there's not a good landing spot for him in the SEC future, is there? Vandy? eek! If he wants to play in the SEC, it's going to be tough to step in somewhere, again, from scratch in a new system.
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I think Bailey is every bit as good as JT Daniels is at UGA and better passer than both Florida QB's. He'll likely go for a red-shirt this season and that explains why Heupel may have played HH against BG. I'd say Bailey is gone if he doesn't get playing time to prove that he can start. He doesn't have to play in the SEC but there are several teams in the SEC willing to take a chance,imo.
 
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tbones0711 said:
I think Bailey is every bit as good as JT Daniels is at UGA and better passer than both Florida QB's. He'll likely go for a red-shirt this season and that explains why Heupel may have played HH against BG. I'd say Bailey is gone if he doesn't get playing time to prove that he can start. He doesn't have to play in the SEC but there are several teams in the SEC willing to take a chance,imo.
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There's a 5* Brock Vandagriff sitting behind Daniels that I'd worry about if I were Bailey.

The SEC is crowded with QB talent.
 
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Given that a brain had been engaged (and it's a fact that it wasn't), I wonder if Milton's main current competition would have been Salter, not Bailey and not Hooker. Of course, Mr. Salter single-handedly eliminated that potential by his brainless conduct.

If Milton can speed up his reads and stop solely relying on his fastball to bail him out (it worked in high school with far lesser opponents), he might become a decent SEC QB. Unfortunately, I bet our next decent SEC QB isn't on campus yet.
 
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aRmo said:
Given all the QB drama by our fanbase i feel this needs to be put out there because some of us are too lazy to do research. Yes, Highschool stats are a fantastic base to go off of when recruiting. Yes Harrison Bailey had INSANE stats in High School. Once you step foot on campus all those stats DO NOT MATTER. You have to develop to read college defenses and run college football offenses that are wayy more complex than what you ran in highschool. Some guys come in and get it right away. Other guys come in and its like trying to drink from a firehose. Every player is gonna develop at their own pace. Bailey played in some games last year and looked OK at best. During the spring game he looked GREAT against scout team defense. Once he was put in with the 1s he was mediocre and didnt impress anymore. He has not performed aswell in fall camp as the other two. Thats just the cold hard fact. Lets look back to when pruitt first got here. Chaney and Pruitt tried getting Haynes King. Why do you think that is? If they thought they had their guy why would they try to go get another stud high school Qb? These coaches see things every day that WE DO NOT. I get some of you have the highest hopes for Bailey. Hell some of you have watched him since PeeWee football and thats ok. But to flat out say "This coaching staff needs to play Bailey before he transfers" is a bit overboard. We should listen and be patient with him and this staff. They know what they are doing. They havent had a failure at QB at any stop they have been to. Can we please wait and see how this stuff turns out before writing this QB and coaching staff off?
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#83
This topic is boring. Milton is the guy until he isn't. If he struggles all year and CJH refuses to pull him then we got problems and this topic should be brought back up. At least he didn't throw back to back pick 6s and go rouge on the 1 yard line.
 
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aRmo said:
Given all the QB drama by our fanbase i feel this needs to be put out there because some of us are too lazy to do research. Yes, Highschool stats are a fantastic base to go off of when recruiting. Yes Harrison Bailey had INSANE stats in High School. Once you step foot on campus all those stats DO NOT MATTER. You have to develop to read college defenses and run college football offenses that are wayy more complex than what you ran in highschool. Some guys come in and get it right away. Other guys come in and its like trying to drink from a firehose. Every player is gonna develop at their own pace. Bailey played in some games last year and looked OK at best. During the spring game he looked GREAT against scout team defense. Once he was put in with the 1s he was mediocre and didnt impress anymore. He has not performed aswell in fall camp as the other two. Thats just the cold hard fact. Lets look back to when pruitt first got here. Chaney and Pruitt tried getting Haynes King. Why do you think that is? If they thought they had their guy why would they try to go get another stud high school Qb? These coaches see things every day that WE DO NOT. I get some of you have the highest hopes for Bailey. Hell some of you have watched him since PeeWee football and thats ok. But to flat out say "This coaching staff needs to play Bailey before he transfers" is a bit overboard. We should listen and be patient with him and this staff. They know what they are doing. They havent had a failure at QB at any stop they have been to. Can we please wait and see how this stuff turns out before writing this QB and coaching staff off?
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HB had the starting job coming out of spring. Somehow in the process of fall practice he fell to 3rd. The kid has leadership, moxie and accuracy plus started a few games already for UT during a pandemic year. Unless he got caught sleeping with one of the coaches daughters I’m not sure wtf happened with him!
 
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The fan base looks for reasons to be hopeful we are on our way back. When we saw Milton's play it was discouraging to that end....so fans are expressing that. Just looking for signs to be excited about the QB position. We didn't see it. You should read the LSU board...Tiger Droppings...and game thread from Ucla game. They are as bad..if not worse than us and they are a year removed from a national championship. I checked it out...out of curiosity. The fan reaction to our QB situation is normal imo.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
Alabama will go all in on Dabo only to be discarded by him as Bama offers nothing to him he doesn’t already have at Clemson (a program he built vs taking over someone else’s)……

While i think there will be drop off post Saban, I seriously doubt Saban isn’t gonna be involved in picking his successor
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I think they will have a harder time finding a successor to Saban than most predict. Anyone walking into that job after Saban will have a nearly impossible task. Win championships or go. Now, unless Saban falls off (which seems unlikely) and slides before his departure, then whoever takes over will have a stocked roster.

Still, all or nothing isn't always the most appealing sales pitch. You never want to be the guy that follows THE GUY. It's often better to let the successor fail to live up to sky high expectations, and then to replace him with a more reasonable objective.
 
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tennesseeduke said:
HB had the starting job coming out of spring. Somehow in the process of fall practice he fell to 3rd. The kid has leadership, moxie and accuracy plus started a few games already for UT during a pandemic year. Unless he got caught sleeping with one of the coaches daughters I’m not sure wtf happened with him!
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Hooker was the first QB out in the Spring. All I can base that off of is that he took the first snap with the first team.

I don't remember reading anything that said HB was the starter, but I could be mistaken. If I remember correctly, when he first took the field in the spring game he was with the backups - there's a reason his TD's were to Jancek.
 
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HB isn't the running type of a QB he is a more pocket passer QB and that's not what CJH offense is. So until HB can learn to run like a true mobile QB I highly doubt we will see him more
 
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#90
I just wish I had any kind of an inkling for what goes on in our practices, to where we always have a controversial QB in the game at all times.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Correct. Here is VN logic.

Milton played bad. His stats were not good. We won by almost 5 TDs. Well what do you expect BG is terrible.

But…..

If we would have won and Milton had 300 and 4 TDs, the narrative would be well he should have thrown for more because BG is terrible.
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Your logic is not logical. If Milton had thrown for 300 yards and 4 touchdowns instead of 60 yards on 3 completions in the last 3 quarters - we wouldn't be having this discussion - It would instead be the same discussions that the
teams in the SEC with quality quarterback play are having. Who all are we going to pound and beat the snot out of ? What are our chances against ________ ? Should Coach Heiple run for Mayor or Governor ? Are we back ?

Instead we have "Remember when Josh Dobbs was our qb, how much fun it was and what a good team we had. ". "What if Coach Heiple had brought the other Milton with him"
Most of VN logic is actually pretty logical -
 
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Fightmaker said:
I just wish I had any kind of an inkling for what goes on in our practices, to where we always have a controversial QB in the game at all times.
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The controversy is because of what we saw from Pruitt. Huepel is paying for the mistakes he made with the QB position, especially his QB recruiting, which clearly left a lot to be desired. Part of the fanbase just screams "J.G 2.0" after half of game one and digs in their heels. Based on Huepel's history, those hoping for a big change may be in for a long wait. He's shown patience with his quarterbacks to date and lets them keep playing even after they struggle if he believes they are the best on the roster.
 
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This is Coach Heupel's team. Not ours. We are fans and entitled to get emotional. And when we do, the rest of VN reels us back in or, sets us adrift and either sends depth charges or torpedo's in our general direction.

I could give two flying ducks as to which player or players are on the field, just as long as they give it their all for UT and hopefully secure us another "W" . As for who "deserves" to be on the field, revert back to who's team this is.
 
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BACKDOC said:
Two words for you, from your post...........Haynes King.
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HUH? you're just saying, random crap man. Where did I ever mention Haynes King? What does he have with UT football? has he ever been on our roster? What's with the straw man arguments? Not eve arguments.. you just keep naming off random Black QB's. Who is next Donovan Mcnabb?

My simple question is what measurable trait has HB ever recorded that substantiates how much people are obsessed with him being the starter? I made arguments.. if you disagree please refute.. If I go ad compare HB's best game against some other guys worst game of course I can make an invalid argument. But when you look at body of work.. every QB that's been ahead of him on the depth chart has proven stats/experience and also beat him out in practice. I can't blame HB for not having the stats outside of him not beating them out in practice. One could make a point maybe the coach didn't like him. But this is the second coaching staff/offense. Maurer ad Shrout were ahead of him at certain points last season. And had similar support from the same people that support HB with the same flaws. They lost the job in practice and their body of work didn't back up fans demands they play more. No matter how you feel the numbers say JG was our best QB for the past 2 seasons. Whether you like him or not is not the point. Let the season play out and we will know more as it goes on. I do not think HB is a scrub or bad. But I do trust the coaches are gonnna start who they think has proven they give us the best chance to win. They know the players and their systems better than any of us could hope. It's fun being an armchair coach but lets be real thats all we are here. anyone with the skills to make those choices wouldn't be in these forums.
 
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aRmo said:
Given all the QB drama by our fanbase i feel this needs to be put out there because some of us are too lazy to do research. Yes, Highschool stats are a fantastic base to go off of when recruiting. Yes Harrison Bailey had INSANE stats in High School. Once you step foot on campus all those stats DO NOT MATTER. You have to develop to read college defenses and run college football offenses that are wayy more complex than what you ran in highschool. Some guys come in and get it right away. Other guys come in and its like trying to drink from a firehose. Every player is gonna develop at their own pace. Bailey played in some games last year and looked OK at best. During the spring game he looked GREAT against scout team defense. Once he was put in with the 1s he was mediocre and didnt impress anymore. He has not performed aswell in fall camp as the other two. Thats just the cold hard fact. Lets look back to when pruitt first got here. Chaney and Pruitt tried getting Haynes King. Why do you think that is? If they thought they had their guy why would they try to go get another stud high school Qb? These coaches see things every day that WE DO NOT. I get some of you have the highest hopes for Bailey. Hell some of you have watched him since PeeWee football and thats ok. But to flat out say "This coaching staff needs to play Bailey before he transfers" is a bit overboard. We should listen and be patient with him and this staff. They know what they are doing. They havent had a failure at QB at any stop they have been to. Can we please wait and see how this stuff turns out before writing this QB and coaching staff off?
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aRmo said:
Given all the QB drama by our fanbase i feel this needs to be put out there because some of us are too lazy to do research. Yes, Highschool stats are a fantastic base to go off of when recruiting. Yes Harrison Bailey had INSANE stats in High School. Once you step foot on campus all those stats DO NOT MATTER. You have to develop to read college defenses and run college football offenses that are wayy more complex than what you ran in highschool. Some guys come in and get it right away. Other guys come in and its like trying to drink from a firehose. Every player is gonna develop at their own pace. Bailey played in some games last year and looked OK at best. During the spring game he looked GREAT against scout team defense. Once he was put in with the 1s he was mediocre and didnt impress anymore. He has not performed aswell in fall camp as the other two. Thats just the cold hard fact. Lets look back to when pruitt first got here. Chaney and Pruitt tried getting Haynes King. Why do you think that is? If they thought they had their guy why would they try to go get another stud high school Qb? These coaches see things every day that WE DO NOT. I get some of you have the highest hopes for Bailey. Hell some of you have watched him since PeeWee football and thats ok. But to flat out say "This coaching staff needs to play Bailey before he transfers" is a bit overboard. We should listen and be patient with him and this staff. They know what they are doing. They havent had a failure at QB at any stop they have been to. Can we please wait and see how this stuff turns out before writing this QB and coaching staff off?
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If Milton is our best than we suck. If your a junior at QB and still missing reads than best find a new position. I don't care who the coaches pick.
 
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