The Venezuela thread

[LSU-SIU]

Ukrainians are definitely showing that, being out numbered and all. What year is this war in now btw? And I don't mean road side bombs, suicide vests, ect....I mean trench warfare...real war. We could still be occupying Afghanistan right now and there would be nothing the Taliban could do about it either other than a small hit here and there. They could never dislodge us militarily on the battlefield. They would just die by the scores.

And you would still lose, lose more resources and more people... against the same people you're paying. The military personnel that died there can rest easy that goat herders are eating over there. The Al Qaeda personnel are sorry about the buildings, kind of, maybe, not really.

Its very hard to convince people they've been conned.

 

[Redleg68]

So we will mark you down for continuous war and regime change all over the globe. Make sure you volunteer to go

I have already volunteered and went and I have seen evil and suffering that should not exist. That was not regime change down there and people need to stop acting like it was. Look I definitely think that the man in charge could have used a few more behind the school house lessons growing up. I will give credit where I think it is due and give no false credit for things that do not deserve credit. No we should not do it all over the globe. That organization called the UN should get off their collective butts and do something other than run their mouth.

 

[LSU-SIU]

I have already volunteered and went and I have seen evil and suffering that should not exist. That was not regime change down there and people need to stop acting like it was. Look I definitely think that the man in charge could have used a few more behind the school house lessons growing up. I will give credit where I think it is due and give no false credit for things that do not deserve credit. No we should not do it all over the globe. That organization called the UN should get off their collective butts and do something other than run their mouth.

It just appears that it was do what we say or we will be back, in the mean time... don't answer the phone from China.

The only thing new about this is the U.S. being blunt about it, same thing that has been going on for decades and decades.

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

 

[Redleg68]

It just appears that it was do what we say or we will be back, in the mean time... don't answer the phone from China.

The only thing new about this is the U.S. being blunt about it, same thing that has been going on for decades and decades.

China is playing a very long game and the U.S. will never have the patience to play in that game, but we dang well better understand it.

 

[VAVol85]

Trump and Rubio have laid it out in a very clear and concise manner, I don't think anyone is confused. Iran appears on deck again.

Are you replying to me? If so, I don’t get your point. PJ asked if I thought we went in to correct the stolen election. I shared my thoughts that we did not. Iran?

 

[adam.vol]

Its a tough one here if it goes a certain direction -- you get into the ends justify the means.

To be honest, I was not thinking he would be this blunt about it. Makes me think, time is short here.

It’s an understandable conclusion, but I hope not because it seems so avoidable.

 

[norrislakevol]

And you would still lose, lose more resources and more people... against the same people you're paying. The military personnel that died there can rest easy that goat herders are eating over there. The Al Qaeda personnel are sorry about the buildings, kind of, maybe, not really.

Its very hard to convince people they've been conned.

I can agree with you in a way. People have been conned into thinking that if you want to conquer the "goat herders" in for good that you must try to make peace, build schools, try to form some kind of modern government. The "modern" world thinks foolish things like this.

The reality is that if you ever want to truly conquer a country full of "goat herders" you must be more cruel than modern society is ever willing to stomach. Total slaughter of everyone that fights with and for the goat herders...no quarter. You must also wipe any villages off the map that allow them to station themselves there, feed themselves there, give them any information, ect. Every man, woman, and child that is associated with them has to be exterminated (family members too)...else, they keep coming. Too many bleeding hearts to ever really do that though.

So, next time it happens, we will go over there and kill them at a 20 to 1 ratio, get sick of it and come home....again. Even though we mopped the floor with them in battle every. single. time.

These people understand money and fear, and that's it.

I challenge anyone to prove me wrong.

 

[LSU-SIU]

China is playing a very long game and the U.S. will never have the patience to play in that game, but we dang well better understand it.

Let's say you have a bank account. You go to the bank to make a deposit, in which the bank get a cut and huge profits. When you show up to work with the bank the bank employees start firing guns at all you, so you leave. The next day, you go back to the bank and you see the employees shooting at all the other customers.

What happens to the bank, eventually?

 

[VAVol85]

It just appears that it was do what we say or we will be back, in the mean time... don't answer the phone from China.

The only thing new about this is the U.S. being blunt about it, same thing that has been going on for decades and decades.

Agree with this!

 

[LSU-SIU]

It’s an understandable conclusion, but I hope not because it seems so avoidable.

Hope I'm wrong but this took a very different direction in a short period of time. I told people on I think Trump's second day, they better buckle up... I didn't know about this though.

I would think the typical anti-Bush, McCain, Romney voter (i.e. Trump voter) to be fairly shell shocked at this point.

 

[Redleg68]

Let's say you have a bank account. You go to the bank to make a deposit, in which the bank get a cut and huge profits. When you show up to work with the bank the bank employees start firing guns at all you, so you leave. The next day, you go back to the bank and you see the employees shooting at all the other customers.

What happens to the bank, eventually?

Obviously it goes out of business. I fail to get the point of your analogy to the current situation.

 

[MAD]

So True

 

[LSU-SIU]

This has nothing to do with saving the people of Venezuela, you literally have al qaeda members installed by the U.S. government in Syria -- you think the for the children has anything to do with this?

Trump has been very clear to them.

 

[adam.vol]

Hope I'm wrong but this took a very different direction in a short period of time. I told people on I think Trump's second day, they better buckle up... I didn't know about this though.

I would think the typical anti-Bush, McCain, Romney voter (i.e. Trump voter) to be fairly shell shocked at this point.

I’m not convinced that Xi and Trump aren’t on the same team. If things continue to escalate, it’s only to thin the masses. All of us free thinking workers are just an inconvenience to the globalists.

 

[LSU-SIU]

Obviously it goes out of business. I fail to get the point of your analogy to the current situation.

The U.S. is the bank, but they really don't like their customers, but one slight difference here... if you try to bank with someone else... they show up at your house with a gun and take your money.

 

[volfanhill]

China is playing a very long game and the U.S. will never have the patience to play in that game, but we dang well better understand it.

The China "long game" narrative is silly. They aren't some special wise group of people. Otherwise they wouldn't have to steal all innovation from the west. Were they playing the long game when they instituted the one child policy which will single handily wreck them? No.

 

[Redleg68]

The U.S. is the bank, but they really don't like their customers, but one slight difference here... if you try to bank with someone else... they show up at your house with a gun and take your money.

Ok, if you want to go with the money/oil side of it, I look at as the bank is protecting its reserve because someone was getting to chummy with someone who would take that reserve away.

 

[LSU-SIU]

I’m not convinced that Xi and Trump aren’t on the same team. If things continue to escalate, it’s only to thin the masses. All of us free thinking workers are just an inconvenience to the globalists.

That goes along with something I was informed of a few weeks ago, but I refused to believe it.

 

[Redleg68]

I’m not convinced that Xi and Trump aren’t on the same team. If things continue to escalate, it’s only to thin the masses. All of us free thinking workers are just an inconvenience to the globalists.

Till it is not convenient for one of them. That relationship would last as long as a Hollywood marriage.

 

[LSU-SIU]

Till it is not convenient for one of them. That relationship would last as long as a Hollywood marriage.

Its not that it would work, its that someone thinks it would work. My position is -> there is no easy out. The 1929-1944 reorg doesn't seem plausible, but that doesn't mean someone doesn't think its possible, and what is the alternative? Its something the Chinese have spoken about since 2008.

I think what I was told was slightly different than what he is saying... U.S. (West), Russia (Central), and China (East) - scraps would remains scraps.

I was probably good with us all playing pretend for a bit longer.

 

[Redleg68]

The China "long game" narrative is silly. They aren't some special wise group of people. Otherwise they wouldn't have to steal all innovation from the west. Were they playing the long game when they instituted the one child policy which will single handily wreck them? No.

I think we will just have to agree to disagree.

 

[Redleg68]

Its not that it would work, its that someone thinks it would work. My position is -> there is no easy out. The 1929-1944 reorg doesn't seem plausible, but that doesn't mean someone doesn't think its possible, and what is the alternative? Its something the Chinese have spoken about since 2008.

I think what I was told was slightly different than what he is saying... U.S. (West), Russia (Central), and China (East) - scraps would remains scraps.

I was probably good with us all playing pretend for a bit longer.

Scary if true. Where does the EU fit into this. China would be my biggest concern here for several reasons. What do you think would happen if China decides it wants back that part of Manchuria that Russia took. That region is full of oil and rare earth minerals and China has been eyeing it for some time. China ranks only 12th in the world in oil reserves and as Russia gets weaker and more vulnerable from The Ukraine War temptation may arise.

 

[lawgator1]

I'm questioning whether the administration has thought this through. So far, they are contradicting each other on what our role is going to be and no one has set forth any specific plan.

 

[LSU-SIU]

Scary if true. Where does the EU fit into this. China would be my biggest concern here for several reasons. What do you think would happen if China decides it wants back that part of Manchuria that Russia took. That region is full of oil and rare earth minerals and China has been eyeing it for some time. China ranks only 12th in the world in oil reserves and as Russia gets weaker and more vulnerable from The Ukraine War temptation may arise.

I would assume without alternative plans Europe collapses on its present course, which is why they are hanging onto the Ukraine. Assume Russia picks up whoever wants to jump on board and they consider viable -- in the next world Europe has no real value other than Norway and Greenland (depending on the definition of Europe).... mostly scraps. (I have no insight though)

What I was told I didn't want to believe, but its similar what he said i.e. deals. I keep telling people they need to expect life changing events.