The Venezuela thread

[EasternVol]

So not really an invasion or regime change. More like an extradition and an attitude adjustment.

Also, do you seriously think they had freedom and sovereignty? The opposition was elected and Maduro said “no I don’t think so” and then disappeared the protesters. Any change in that country would be an improvement.

How did they not have sovereignty?

 

[EasternVol]

Why don't you folks that are/were against this go and read the United Nations 2024 report of 161 pages where they accuse Maduro of "Crimes Against Humanity" and come back and tell me why this jerk wad needs to ever see the light of day again. If we didn't take him out of play who was? He definitely needed to go.

You answered your own question. Who produced that report you cited?

 

[EasternVol]

First, how do you know those numbers are correct vs just made up?
Second, there is a huge difference in supporting a dictator, and being critical of a action of the potus which is probably illegal.

I'm sure he's double checked all the numbers using only the most reputable sources. @W.TN.Orange Blood 's really a stickler for accuracy.

 

[rekinhavoc]

Marjorie Taylor Greene: We Elected Trump to 'Run America,' Not to Be a 'Globalist'

Monday on CNN's "The Source," Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-GA) said Americans elected President Donald Trump to "run America," not to be a "globalist." | Clips

www.breitbart.com

Liz Cheney wannabe is really focusing on her family. 15 minutes will be over once they are done with you doofus.

 

[volsforever27]

SIAP but it bears repeating if so.

2016 Dems: Trump is in Maduro’s pocket.
2020 Biden: Puts bounty on Maduro
2026 Dems: Trump shouldn’t have captured Maduro.

I get it’s hard to get past the Trump hatred but a little consistency is always a good thing.

Maybe due to the last 30 years some are shell shocked that an operation went that well.

It’s fair to question what happens after this but lot of nitpicking in this thread.

In any case, 2026 is going to be interesting.

 

[volsforever27]

Marjorie Taylor Greene: We Elected Trump to 'Run America,' Not to Be a 'Globalist'

Monday on CNN's "The Source," Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-GA) said Americans elected President Donald Trump to "run America," not to be a "globalist." | Clips

www.breitbart.com

Liz Cheney wannabe is really focusing on her family. 15 minutes will be over once they are done with you doofus.

An in and out operation with no casualties in that short of time is globalism? Someone is auditioning for the View.

 

[adam.vol]

I'm questioning whether the administration has thought this through. So far, they are contradicting each other on what our role is going to be and no one has set forth any specific plan.

Isn’t that always the case?

Trump originally promised that the US would take over Palestine. He said Alberta would be a US State. Greenland would join the US.. He’s never kept an initial promise this second administration. It’s a sick game he is playing where he did everything he said in the first administration and nothing he says in the second administration.

 

[adam.vol]

Till it is not convenient for one of them. That relationship would last as long as a Hollywood marriage.

They’re both puppets. They’ll work together as long as their financiers tell them to and they’ll fight one another when the money changers tell them to. That’s how every World War will have played out because their people are too in love with this false prosperity in which everyone is accumulating debt to some unnamed entity.

 

[LSU-SIU]

They have seceded.

So? So did the South.

They are part of China, and most likely they will regain control. I question how much military will even be needed. Hong Kong was separate from China, now... not so much. Those people did a bunch of talking too.

 

[LSU-SIU]

First, how do you know those numbers are correct vs just made up?
Second, there is a huge difference in supporting a dictator, and being critical of a action of the potus which is probably illegal.

Whether the numbers are correct or not, does not matter.... but feel free to double check them.

The puppet guy just better not answer the phone calls from China.

 

[USF grad in TN]

I'm questioning whether the administration has thought this through. So far, they are contradicting each other on what our role is going to be and no one has set forth any specific plan.

I'm convinced that Rubio has been thinking this through for a long time. I don't know about the others.

 

[Redleg68]

You answered your own question. Who produced that report you cited?

https://www.ohchr.org/en/hr-bodies/hrc/ffmv/index

 

[Vol8188]

So if we have the right under the "Donroe Doctrine" to remove the leader of a country and take it over for national security purposes because it is in our hemisphere, does China have the right to take over Taiwan on the same rationale?

You have to truly insane to believe China hasn’t taken Taiwan because they don’t believe they have a “right” to do so.

China isn’t looking to us for moral or legal clarity. They will continue to act in their own interest. And this action makes them less likely to consider trying to take Taiwan

 

[LouderVol]

Why don't you folks that are/were against this go and read the United Nations 2024 report of 161 pages where they accuse Maduro of "Crimes Against Humanity" and come back and tell me why this jerk wad needs to ever see the light of day again. If we didn't take him out of play who was? He definitely needed to go.

The UN has also found Israel guilty of genocide. I don't think that is a log you want to turn over.

and we aren't the world's police. if the blue helmets want to go do something about Maduro they are welcome to. well I wouldn't recommend it now seeing as he is in our hands, but the point remains.

 

[LouderVol]

Oh the US has been arming ISIS through Saudi as well.



Sure, go to bed with ISIS and Al Qaeda that killed 1,000s of Americans so you can bring down another group of bad guys - the syrian goverment. Now pay them, and rinse and repeat.

as usual you get the basics wrong in your quest to blame EVERYTHING on America. even when there is actual fault to lay at the feet of America, you can't help but lie and get some really easy to verify facts wrong.

ISIS wasn't America's fault. we turned over their leaders to Syria while we were still in Iraq, it was part of our settlement to get out of Iraq. Assad allowed them to escape because he was losing the fight to the secular rebels that we were actually backing, the SNA/SDF.

Assad was getting his but kicked because he couldn't get any international support to fight a secular group, even Russia was ignoring him. then suddenly ISIS pops up, sucks the oxygen out of the room from the Syrian rebels. and suddenly with a terrorist group to fight Assad was able to get Russian support. which is what finally killed off the SNA. To absolutely no one's surprise ISIS grew beyond Assad's ability to control them and it cost him in the long run.

and one has to remember there were some terrorist attacks in Russia, while they were still on the sidelines, that got blamed on ISIS. not that Putin knows anything about false flags from Muslim terrorists...

Al Qaeda was our fault. ISIS wasn't.

 

[LSU-SIU]

I'm convinced that Rubio has been thinking this through for a long time. I don't know about the others.

Him and Trump are at least being transparent, I assume that is where the incorporation of Cuba would come from.

 

[KB5252]

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Good God the hyperbole in the "article" would make a teenage girl sound measured and reasonable.

There are criticisms to be made but you lose any credibility to anyone reasonable with this article.

I read "the Holler" portion as part of the article. The article has some valid points. But the Holler is a cesspool.

 

[LSU-SIU]

ISIS wasn't America's fault

Yeah, sure which is why the U.S. was arming them through Saudi, see wikileaks. Why do you think Hillibeast wanted the albino wiki guy droned. (not a question) Hillibeast was supplying 3 different forces if you including the U.S. in a war.

Al-Qaeda and Taliban continue to get paid, ISIS it depends. So, they are the bad guys depending on the day of the week.

 

[Redleg68]

The UN has also found Israel guilty of genocide. I don't think that is a log you want to turn over.

and we aren't the world's police. if the blue helmets want to go do something about Maduro they are welcome to. well I wouldn't recommend it now seeing as he is in our hands, but the point remains.

Really? You are going to compare the two? The UN is basically structured to be a paper tiger and unfortunately can have agendas of their own, especially dependent to whoever is running the show. This cat was so bad to his own people he had to have Cuban bodyguards and security force. Could not trust his own people and for good reason.

 

[Buddy’s Bandit]

Is Columbia next? Is WW111 the result?

were you this concerned when Obama did the same (on another continent) ?

 

[LSU-SIU]

were you this concerned when Obama did the same (on another continent) ?

I wouldn't be concerned about WW3 at the moment, reset different story. I was told we're in the slow reset stage with agreements in place. (which I didn't want to believe 2 weeks ago) I would assume the major players are somewhat on board. (not sure though) Europe is not a major player I wouldn't think, they can't say the Orange man didn't warn them.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...rts-of-dual-use-items-to-japan-military-users

https://www.reuters.com/business/au...european-firms-move-supply-chains-2025-12-01/

China sanctions 20 U.S. defense companies and 10 executives over massive arms sales to Taiwan

 

[tim]

Here is the thing that both sides on these forums don't understand. It doesn't matter who we elected, we get involved in international conflicts. Why?

Perhaps if people on this forum saw what our National Intelligence knows and studied the real dynamics in this world, we might have a different view.

Maybe it isn't that Bush, Obama, Trump, etc. are war mongers, maybe it is that there is just real sh1t out there that requires our involvement for the betterment of our people.


That being said, when we try to "occupy" and "rebuild" nations, that becomes the problem. Both Afghanistan and Iraq started out looking very good with minimal deaths and money spent. It was the rebuild of both nations, especially ~2-3 years into it, that things started to get rough.

I do wonder about Iraq sometimes. Iraq might be more successful of an operation than we often talk about. Iraq still seems to have the government they elected in control and things are quiet out of that nation. Perhaps that is a success?

Very good question. The intelligence agencies, since 911, take EVERY threat at face value imo. 911 was an embarrassment to them as I also believe 10/7 was to Israel. When it’s routed up to the leaders they are presented with the information, and a solution. What would you do as President when your intelligence agencies, led by people you picked, said there was an imminent threat?

 

[InVOLuntary]

Yep, that guy is eat up wit it.

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

 

[LouderVol]

So? So did the South.

They are part of China, and most likely they will regain control. I question how much military will even be needed. Hong Kong was separate from China, now... not so much. Those people did a bunch of talking too.

Hong Kong was always scheduled to return to China under treaty. They were never their own entity and were still under direct control of the Brits who turned Hong Kong back over to China.

The ROC has no obligation to join the PRC. they were never the same thing. that is a division maintained by guns and bloodshed, not paper. even things like the One China policy state that we will treat both Chinas like they treat each other. its a misconception to say that treaty says there is only one china, the truth is there is only one US stance on the China question. violence will not be tolerated by either side to end the other.

If the PRC was smart they would be the ones funding the chip factories in the US. because once those are up and running the last real obstacle besides the island itself will be removed.