The Venezuela thread

[Orange_Crush]

lol Just hit as ironic to line those two posts up in a row.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

A lot of retooling would be required to refine Venezuela heavy crude. If you believe all Venezuelans are going to welcome Americans with open arms you are delusional. American oil companies are not lining up to invest billions into Venezuelan oil. To many worker safety concerns among other things.

Nigeria is much safer

 

[Buddy’s Bandit]

This is the kind of unintentional "look how not racist I am!" nonsense that makes Republicans look dumb. It shouldn't matter what color a person is as long as they vote.

This was never part of the discussion. The point is Trump‘s following is deep and WIDE…..his policies are common sense and apply to a wide range of individuals.

Race is irrelevant and was not intended to be the focal point of my argument.

 

[FLVOL_79]

This was never part of the discussion. The point is Trump‘s following is deep and WIDE…..his policies are common sense and apply to a wide range of individuals.

Race is irrelevant and was not intended to be the focal point of my argument.

Lol. No. It might be deep as in deep bullsh!t. And the wide following is just fat fatties looking to drop their few pennies into the TrumpRX ponzi scheme to get diluted ozempic.

 

[Orange_Crush]

This was never part of the discussion. The point is Trump‘s following is deep and WIDE…..his policies are common sense and apply to a wide range of individuals.

Race is irrelevant and was not intended to be the focal point of my argument.

Not to mention that the Dems have made race a pivotal part of voter block planning and discussion. (Hell, I knew about your point initially BC CNN was making a huge deal about it.) You really can't then accuse someone of being racist for speaking about voter blocks in the way that speaking about voter blocks has been normalized. That was a BS accusation.

 

[Orange_Crush]

China can pay a fair price for it now, instead of giving loan shark loans to them for deeply discounted oil.

They (and Russia) were basically buying Venezuela as a proxy agent in our neighborhood, while getting great deals on oil since our sanctions messed up the demand for Venezuela's oil. Basically, our sanctions drove Venezuela closer to our enemies, and helped those enemies. Sanctions were never the answer to Venezuela.

 

[adam.vol]

In case you people were born yesterday, this is how it works:

Party one puts “dictator” in place. Party two eliminates “dictator”. Party two allows new, disagreeable dictator to take over. Party one pretends they can do nothing about it.

Their citizens are oppressed by this instability and raping of their resources. Party one opens the borders and allows oppressed terrorists into oppressive country. Party two cries “unfair” until they get into power and then does nothing about it.

Tell me how Venezuela will be different. How does this benefit you?

 

[adam.vol]

DJT is a liar then. I guess we will see.

That appears to be the pattern in this second term. I guess you can still pretend not to notice this time around also.

 

[Buddy’s Bandit]

Not to mention that the Dems have made race a pivotal part of voter block planning and discussion. (Hell, I knew about your point initially BC CNN was making a huge deal about it.) You really can't then accuse someone of being racist for speaking about voter blocks in the way that speaking about voter blocks has been normalized. That was a BS accusation.

interesting how the Dems always deflect to a secondary issue when they can’t deal with the initial argument.

Masters of deflection.

They will do the same with this response.

 

[Buddy’s Bandit]

Lol. No. It might be deep as in deep bullsh!t. And the wide following is just fat fatties looking to drop their few pennies into the TrumpRX ponzi scheme to get diluted ozempic.

 

[Buddy’s Bandit]

In case you people were born yesterday, this is how it works:

Party one takes puts “dictator” in place. Party two eliminates “dictator”. Party two allows new, disagreeable dictator to take over. Party one pretends they can do nothing about it.

Their citizens are oppressed by this instability and raping of their resources. Party one opens the borders and allows oppressed terrorists into oppressive country. Party two cries “unfair” until they get into power and then does nothing about it.

Tell me how Venezuela will be different. How does this benefit you?

How will it benefit me? Not sure yet.

How could it benefit my kids/grandkids?

Are we better off with China and Russia establishing a presence in South America?

 

[Orange_Crush]

... Party one opens the borders and allows oppressed terrorists into oppressive country. Party two cries “unfair” until they get into power and then does nothing about it.

Tell me how Venezuela will be different. How does this benefit you?

And this is where your analysis seems to break down.

 

[adam.vol]

How will it benefit me? Not sure yet.

How could it benefit my kids/grandkids?

Are we better off with China and Russia establishing a presence in South America?

Your kids and grandkids are going to be impoverished, without being able to afford their own homes - just as mine are. Because we allow inconsequential antics by the Republicans and Democrats to satisfy us.

I hate to break it to you, but they own land next to every military base in our country. How does Venezuela address a threat from China?

Do you honestly think for one second that either country is not already exporting and importing to South America? We allow their ships into our ports every day while US manufacturing isn’t improving and our inflation has still eliminated the middle class.

 

[LSU-SIU]

How will it benefit me? Not sure yet.

How could it benefit my kids/grandkids?

Are we better off with China and Russia establishing a presence in South America?

Well, does everyone just do what is in their best interest because they can? Germans were told that everyone was a threat to them so the only solution was to expand and eliminate the threat.

Can you do it? Maybe, should you be conquering countries because its simply what you want?

Why can't the Chinese work with other countries in South America or even annex them?

 

[NashVol11]

 

[utvolpj]

I thought this was about drugs and oil. We're back to spreading democracy again?

 

[LSU-SIU]

I thought this was about drugs and oil. We're back to spreading democracy again?

Its about China/India, resources, and China running their drug/voting/illegal immigration operations through there.

Democracy is not really important, matter of fact, I'm sure the U.S. would like a dictator in there.... as long as the dictator does what the U.S. says.

 

[Sea Ray]

“I’m not going to start a war,” he said when he won reelection. “I’m going to stop the wars.”

Russia’s war with Ukraine—which Trump said repeatedly that he would end within “24 hours” of taking office—has been as bloody as ever. (WATCH: Trump promises to 'settle' war in Ukraine if elected)

What war are we in that Trump started?

 

[tvolsfan]

Colombia is getting a new president because it is a democracy.

 

[McDad]

I thought this was about drugs and oil. We're back to spreading democracy again?

Drugs and oil are better in a democracy.

It's science.

 

[LSU-SIU]

What war are we in that Trump started?

At some point I would consider removing heads of State and coup action - war. I think some of the things done to Trump were acts of war. Is this large scale warfare, no, is it George H.W. Bush warfare, absolutely.

It is, what it is.

 

[tim]

At some point I would consider removing heads of State and coup action - war. I think some of the things done to Trump were acts of war. Is this large scale warfare, no, is it George H.W. Bush warfare, absolutely.

It is, what it is.

The opposite is China launching balloons from our hemisphere to spy on our military installations and thumb their noses at us. I’m not sure there’s a happy medium when China exists as it is currently

 

[volfanhill]

You think Americans would be safe?? I get it you disagree with anything I post,however.

I know American companies do business in far more dangerous places and situations. So no the companies would not be concerned. I don't disagree with everything you post. Just most of what you post

 

[LSU-SIU]

The opposite is China launching balloons from our hemisphere to spy on our military installations and thumb their noses at us. I’m not sure there’s a happy medium when China exists as it is currently

Oh, I'm not saying China hasn't been doing things on the edges, but the U.S. is basically threatening everyone not to do business with them - how does that work? Regardless, what the U.S. has been doing are acts of war, we can call it whatever though.

If the U.S. truly believes what you believe i.e. the bold, there is a solution to that - cut them off from the global financial system. We can at that point just head straight to global reset and most of this won't matter at that point. It is possibly, China pulls the plug themselves.

What exactly do you want the people in the world that actually produce to buy with their U.S. dollars?

 

[Sea Ray]

At some point I would consider removing heads of State and coup action - war. I think some of the things done to Trump were acts of war. Is this large scale warfare, no, is it George H.W. Bush warfare, absolutely.

It is, what it is.

OK, saying he has committed acts of war is different than the question I asked. He was in Iran and Venezuela for a grand total of about 5 hrs. No war was started. None of our boys are on the ground in either of those countries. Personally that's how I feel our military should be used right now. No more occupying forces