The Venezuela thread

[volbound1700]

Well in fairness, it's about "oil" because our oil companies had $10 billion worth of assets there and the commies literally stole it, so we took it back

There is one nation and its leader that are panicking over this move and they reside in Moscow. If Venezuelan oil can undercut and outsell Russian oil, it is going to hugely impact the Ukraine conflict moving forward.

 

[Buddy’s Bandit]

 

[LSU-SIU]

There is one nation and its leader that are panicking over this move and they reside in Moscow. If Venezuelan oil can undercut and outsell Russian oil, it is going to hugely impact the Ukraine conflict moving forward.

Oil production is a 20-30 year time frame, its a 50-60 year pay back.

 

[LSU-SIU]

The possibility of China, India, and the rest of the world pushing the button probably can't be entirely discounted at this point.

 

[BernardKingGOAT]

Disagree…..it’s about precious metals and not letting our adversaries continue to have a strong prescience here and have access to their oil / metals. It is not just about oil.

Ok. I agree.

 

[LSU-SIU]

So, let me make sure I got this right. The U.S. can't compete, so in that case instead of bombing the competition, you go after third parties that are working with the competition? And that is what people want? Seriously?

Is that the master plan here? Let me get this right, this was done to free people there but they have to do what you tell them?

 

[EasternVol]

Trump isn’t Papa Bush. He goes in , gets the job done, and then leaves in hours. We’ve seen this play out here and in Iran. That’s an improvement over the Bush family

This ain't Iran. There all we had to do was blow some stuff up.

 

[BigOrangeMojo]

Disagree…..it’s about precious metals and not letting our adversaries continue to have a strong prescience here and have access to their oil / metals. It is not just about oil.

It's not JUST about the oil but its mostly about the oil....

 

[EasternVol]

In other words, the U.S. will do the vast majority of the work anyways with more talking heads from other countries in the way.

Really? When's the last time we sent any troops for a UN mission? People complain about the UN all the time and then don't want to make it work for us when the opportunity arises.

 

[EasternVol]

Same as the UN aid?

Dunno, I don't keep the books at the UN.

 

[LSU-SIU]

It's not JUST about the oil but its mostly about the oil....

Its about what the nuts in this thread are saying i.e. control. I just thought the people that voted for the Orange man were done with this nonsense. Might as well get Hillary back in the mix and get the arms manufacturers some money while they're at it.

 

[Rickyvol77]

That is those corporations problems as a generalization, they choose to work there. They are not "our (we)" assets.

I am not disagreeing with you, but again, our government has to step in at times too when our people and assets are illegally seized by Communist/Socialist/Islamic governments

 

[LSU-SIU]

I am not disagreeing with you, but again, our government has to step in at times too when our people and assets are illegally seized by Communist/Socialist/Islamic governments

So, what you are saying is Russia should nuke the U.S. and Europe... as the communist/socialist governments there have their assets? People actually lost assets from the U.S. sanctions on various countries. You do business at your own risk, especially outside of the U.S. In essence, the communist/socialist U.S. government is illegally seizing people assets at the threat of not only additional sanctions but apparently the gun.

What you are suggesting is the world better reset the system. This was actually spoken about by China in 2008 (financial crisis), at this point... I'm sure this is starting to be discussed.

 

[hog88]

Dunno, I don't keep the books at the UN.

The UN doesn't provide troops nor aid, it all comes from member nations and primarily the US.

 

[EasternVol]

The UN doesn't provide troops nor aid, it all comes from member nations and primarily the US.

That's why any peacekeeping troops are likely in their home countries as of now. Where the funds are now depends whether the funds are now available in UN's budget or not.
It's under UN auspices. So we can say they provide it.

 

[CobbVol]

Well in fairness, it's about "oil" because our oil companies had $10 billion worth of assets there and the commies literally stole it, so we took it back

And to take it further, it is about China not having access and control of the oil. You limit the Venezuelan oil to China as well as potentially the Iranian oil if the people there remove their theocracy and the Chinese economy becomes even more fragile. Funding their military and their global expansion efforts would slow as they have 1.5B people to feed.

 

[hog88]

That's why any peacekeeping troops are likely in their home countries as of now. Where the funds are now depends whether the funds are now available in UN's budget or not.
It's under UN auspices. So we can say they provide it.

LOL

 

[EasternVol]

Yeah it was neutral with some slightly critical language.

My thoughts on this. I don't like military meddling and the precident this provides. I think there were other means. I worry there is something more to this story, line transfer or deals with regard to military tech we aren't being told about.

I do not think Maduro was legitimate. I don't think it's in our (The US) interest having an ally of Russia and China on our doorstep. See what is happening in Ukraine.

I also think this significantly reduces the odds of Chinese invasion of Taiwan in the next 5-10 years and the fallout/possible conflict that brings.


What are your thoughts?

I agree with most of what you wrote, especially that other means would have been preferable and that Maduro wasn't legitimate (after the last election). I don't know what military tech deals might be involved but then there's a lot I don't know.
I see not wanting to tolerate a Chinese or Russian ally so near, especially one that allows military use of their territory. I'd like to block those two as much as possible. It's difficult to justify though considering countries are sovereign and they're supposed to be able to choose their own allies, and our many bases all around Russia, China, Iran, and NK. I guess that's where diplomacy, foreign aid and other means are useful.
I haven't given much thought to how all this could affect PRC and ROC. We're very early in the game with Caracas so a lot's TBC. I've read that PRC knows it won't be militarily ready to try to take Taiwan for a few years and that their bluster now is to try to bluff them into giving up without a fight. How do you think Venezuela affects China?

 

[Sea Ray]

Its about what the nuts in this thread are saying i.e. control. I just thought the people that voted for the Orange man were done with this nonsense. Might as well get Hillary back in the mix and get the arms manufacturers some money while they're at it.

Looking at our poll above, it doesn't look like most approve of this. Doesn't mean we'd prefer Hillary and her RBG type SCOTUS appointments

 

[adam.vol]

Looking at our poll above, it doesn't look like most approve of this. Doesn't mean we'd prefer Hillary and her RBG type SCOTUS appointments

I didn’t see any option for “strongly opposed”.

Another country forcefully oppressed into using the Rothschild banking cartel - Where they control the currency so you have no means to protect your assets from being stolen from you and reallocated to folks who live off of your labor.

 

[LSU-SIU]

I didn’t see any option for “strongly opposed”.

Another country forcefully oppressed into using the Rothschild banking cartel - Where they control the currency so you have no means to protect your assets from being stolen from you and reallocated to folks who live off of your labor.

It went from He's a bad guy, he's wasn't elected, for the children, for the oil, for the payback on oil assets, to minerals, to china, to our enemies... literally what they are saying is full take over at any point for any country.

I would think the countries of the world have to be thinking... voluntary reset, at least I would imagine in the discussion phase.

Its full on mafia scheme at this point.

 

[KB5252]

I agree with most of what you wrote, especially that other means would have been preferable and that Maduro wasn't legitimate (after the last election). I don't know what military tech deals might be involved but then there's a lot I don't know.
I see not wanting to tolerate a Chinese or Russian ally so near, especially one that allows military use of their territory. I'd like to block those two as much as possible. It's difficult to justify though considering countries are sovereign and they're supposed to be able to choose their own allies, and our many bases all around Russia, China, Iran, and NK. I guess that's where diplomacy, foreign aid and other means are useful.
I haven't given much thought to how all this could affect PRC and ROC. We're very early in the game with Caracas so a lot's TBC. I've read that PRC knows it won't be militarily ready to try to take Taiwan for a few years and that their bluster now is to try to bluff them into giving up without a fight. How do you think Venezuela affects China?

China needs oil sanction free. They bought a very significant portion of their oil from Venezuela.

If they attack and are sanctioned they'll need a friendly country somewhere to buy oil from, that was Venezuela until this weekend.

 

[Rickyvol77]

And to take it further, it is about China not having access and control of the oil. You limit the Venezuelan oil to China as well as potentially the Iranian oil if the people there remove their theocracy and the Chinese economy becomes even more fragile. Funding their military and their global expansion efforts would slow as they have 1.5B people to feed.

Cuba too, they are so dependent on Venezuelan energy, their entire Commie society may collapse for good

 

[utvolpj]

China needs oil sanction free. They bought a very significant portion of their oil from Venezuela.

If they attack and are sanctioned they'll need a friendly country somewhere to buy oil from, that was Venezuela until this weekend.

Should the US now dictate who Venezuela can do business with? If their new leader sells to China do we kidnap them too? Do we steal those tankers?

 

[LSU-SIU]

Cuba too, they are so dependent on Venezuelan energy, their entire Commie society may collapse for good

For like the 10th time. What are you trying to accomplish here?