The truth behind Joc Bruce

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wmcovol said:
I'm surprised Bruce had no more respect for the program and his teammates than that. He was a new player in the program. He should listen and learn from them, not confront them.

Take his "Harry High school" attitude somewhere else.

"There's two sets of rules and the sooner you realize which set apply to you, the better off you'll be"
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This X2....seems like the martin kid almost got the same result when he didn't like the rules either... These new guys gotta start respect the coaches and guys who have been there or more guys are gonna get ***** slapped
 
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BigOrange15 said:
I can almost guarantee that Croom didn't just sucker punch him unprovoked. Which begs the question, what did Joc do to get punched? There are two sides to every story.
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So, like asking the countless recently sexually-harassed women what they were wearing to provoke it?
 
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Eastknox865 said:
Joc Bruce was involved in what could be called bullying.Jason Croom hit Joc extremely hard in his jaw reason behind it I dont know. But after that he complained of having headaches and a lot of discomfort. He told his mother about what happened which leads me to believe he was afraid. The coaches knew about this but his mother didn't follow up with them about the attack. The kid was let down by his mother as well as the coaching staff they did not protect him. I understand upperclassmen pick on the new guy but this was more. After this altercation he was late for class several times and was suspended and well deserved. But I do believe Joc being afraid of Croom played a major role in this. The mother and the coaches failed this kid. I didn't make this up I grew up with his mom. This is non bias thread so please don't take it as if I'm throwing anyone under the bus. 100% true info
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Prove your assertion. Unless you have PROOF, its all hogwash.
 
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Back in the day, (1985) I was bullied in the locker room; my sr. yr. is what makes it a little crazy. In the last game I played in I kicked the game winning FG with a minute and change left on the clock; to this day, almost 30 yrs. later, the only person I can remember coming up and shaking my hand after the game was that guy, who had bullied me all season.
 
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If Croom slugged Bruce in any circumstance except in physical defense of himself or another, it's assault and he should be off the team, period. You people are insane.
 
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NCFisher said:
If Croom slugged Bruce in any circumstance except in physical defense of himself or another, it's assault and he should be off the team, period. You people are insane.
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Exactly. The fact that he's not likely means that he didn't just punch Joc for no reason.
 
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turambar85 said:
Jeez, this is a weird thread. The consensus (and it is nearly unanimous) is that Bruce deserved to get punched by someone twice his size for talking back and stepping on the T? We now officially believe that violence is the best reaction to disrespect?

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Unless Bruce punched him first, Croom screwed up. Croom deserved to be punished. And Croom sure as heck doesn't deserve to be praised, and lifted up as a hero of the program. Punching a much smaller freshman, somebody who was decent enough to take a blue shirt, and who seemed to love UT, is not heroic.
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NCFisher said:
If Croom slugged Bruce in any circumstance except in physical defense of himself or another, it's assault and he should be off the team, period. You people are insane.
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Your son walks into your living room. Walks over to the corner near the TV, whips it out, and pees right there. In the corner of your living room.

Flabbergasted, you ask him what the heck he's doing. He says, 'what?' and starts to walk off. You put your hand on his shoulder to stop him, and explain in no uncertain terms that one does not pee in the corner of the living room. He looks at you with some mixture of disrespect, contempt, and mockery, and says, "I do." And then starts to walk off.

You grab him, he shrugs off your arm and walks out the door.

You can:

(1) clock the kid, make him reconsider the wisdom of his disrespect;
(2) plead with him to stop;
(3) scold him in a very stern voice as he walks away;
(4) call the police and get the thug arrested, for...something.

As you might agree, (2) and (3) will be utterly ineffective. (4) blows the situation out of proportion, makes it public, and still solves nothing. Meanwhile, (1) just might work.

Violence isn't always the answer. But sometimes a bit of it is better than any of the alternatives.

We used to keep boxing gloves around the battalion. Often a bit of a kerfuffle solves things quicker and more efficiently than more "civilized" alternatives.

Plus, you gotta love a guy who stands up for Vols traditions and respect.
 
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BACKDOC said:
Back in the day, (1985) I was bullied in the locker room; my sr. yr. is what makes it a little crazy. In the last game I played in I kicked the game winning FG with a minute and change left on the clock; to this day, almost 30 yrs. later, the only person I can remember coming up and shaking my hand after the game was that guy, who had bullied me all season.
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I like that story. :good!: Gave you like.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
Your son walks into your living room. Walks over to the corner near the TV, whips it out, and pees right there. In the corner of your living room.

Flabbergasted, you ask him what the heck he's doing. He says, 'what?' and starts to walk off. You put your hand on his shoulder to stop him, and explain in no uncertain terms that one does not pee in the corner of the living room. He looks at you with some mixture of disrespect, contempt, and mockery, and says, "I do." And then starts to walk off.

You grab him, he shrugs off your arm and walks out the door.

You can:

(1) clock the kid, make him reconsider the wisdom of his disrespect;
(2) plead with him to stop;
(3) scold him in a very stern voice as he walks away;
(4) call the police and get the thug arrested, for...something.

As you might agree, (2) and (3) will be utterly ineffective. (4) blows the situation out of proportion, makes it public, and still solves nothing. Meanwhile, (1) just might work.

Violence isn't always the answer. But sometimes a bit of it is better than any of the alternatives.

We used to keep boxing gloves around the battalion. Often a bit of a kerfuffle solves things quicker and more efficiently than more "civilized" alternatives.

Plus, you gotta love a guy who stands up for Vols traditions and respect.
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Very well stated. Old school. I like it.:good!:
 
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BigOrange15 said:
Exactly. The fact that he's not likely means that he didn't just punch Joc for no reason.
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Or at all. People have been saying it's another player but won't say who. I find it hard to believe nothing would be done if croom did punch Bruce.
 
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Eastknox865 said:
Joc Bruce was involved in what could be called bullying.Jason Croom hit Joc extremely hard in his jaw reason behind it I dont know. But after that he complained of having headaches and a lot of discomfort. He told his mother about what happened which leads me to believe he was afraid. The coaches knew about this but his mother didn't follow up with them about the attack. The kid was let down by his mother as well as the coaching staff they did not protect him. I understand upperclassmen pick on the new guy but this was more. After this altercation he was late for class several times and was suspended and well deserved. But I do believe Joc being afraid of Croom played a major role in this. The mother and the coaches failed this kid. I didn't make this up I grew up with his mom. This is non bias thread so please don't take it as if I'm throwing anyone under the bus. 100% true info
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Ahh grow a pair.
 
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The coaches heard both sides of the story and resolved the situation in a manner they considered best for the team and the players involved. Done. Over. Team's moved on.

Nine more days till fall camp and some real news.
 
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