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GreyWolf1129 said:
So...tomorrow the slide of my SA 1911 Range Officer is on its' way north for 3-dot night sights. Takes 2-4 weeks, but I'd rather let the Armory work on their gun. Plus it keeps the warranty intact.

When it gets back, that will leave me with two of my three .45's "night capable". The only outlier being my Glock, which still sports the "ball in a cup" factory sights. That one's next.

So the Rock got night sights and nothing else (although that gun came back noticeably "tighter" from RIA)...the Range Officer will have night sights and needs nothing else...and the Glock has an Apex trigger, extended slide release, extended mag release, and night sights on the horizon.

Happy with where I am on my AR's. GV proved to be a solid counsel on those, to the point where I'm very happy with where I am on both of them.

Also thanks to GV, SGAmmo, and AmmoSeek, I have enough top-shelf 5.56 and .45 ammo to last me well past my anticipated expiration date. And the spare mags, batteries, and what-have-you to make sure those rounds will reach their intended destination if I just do my part.

In short, I'm "there", or as there as I can get without changing my last name to Tackleberry.

This thread played a large part in getting me to where I am, which is on solid footing. So thanks.
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The only ammo I'd say I'm short on is 12G. I'm pretty comfortable with everything else.

Personal preference, I won't buy a handgun without being "night capable." I'd rather get it up front than worrying about it later. (1911's are typically an exception)
 
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Just saw that Sig is shipping out P365s with a manual thumb safety. Why not just bubble wrap the whole of creation? I think the Canadians could conquer us if they tried.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
Just saw that Sig is shipping out P365s with a manual thumb safety. Why not just bubble wrap the whole of creation? I think the Canadians could conquer us if they tried.
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I'm pretty sure some agencies/groups require manual safeties, likely for liability reasons. Even some Glocks (including their military MHS submission that lost to the SIG) have a thumb safety.
 
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81Bubbavol said:
I'll be interested in what kind they put on. My TRP came with night sights but they aren't bright enough for me to see in the day so it's more like regular black on black sights in daylight and three dots in the dark. I put some Tru Glo Fiber optics on my Glock 26 that I really like. They are bright enough to use as three dots in daylight. I usually wear glasses so the sights are blurry with the target in focus so I prefer the bright three dots to the others. In fact I'm getting ready to take my TRP to a gunsmith to replace the factory sights with a set of Tru Glo TFX Pro's with an orange ring around the front sight. Regardless it probably won't help my groups any. That problem ain't the gun.
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Spoke with a nice lady at the SA Custom Shop today. Just to confirm I had shipped the slide, and talk about the sights. She didn't give me the brand name, but she said they only install one brand of night sights on their Range Officers, so I'm guessing I'll end up with what you got. If memory serves, I saw a couple of different sights on the SA website. So we'll see.

Did some surfing today looking at night sights in general, and primarily for my 30S. Looks like MeproLite is popular with the Glock crowd, so...again...we'll see.

I just want day / night sights that will give me a clean point of aim.
 
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@Grand Vol

FYI, I ordered a Galco ankle glove (ankle holster) for my Glock. I wanted to have another option for concealed carry where I didn't have to wear an "over shirt" for IWB carry.

If you haven't looked at these, do. It's a very solid, comfortable holster. Years back, I carried a Ruger SP101 on my ankle as a backup gun, so I was already accustomed to the feel of a gun on my ankle. But this holster is by far the most secure and most comfortable I have ever felt.
 
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GreyWolf1129 said:
@Grand Vol

FYI, I ordered a Galco ankle glove (ankle holster) for my Glock. I wanted to have another option for concealed carry where I didn't have to wear an "over shirt" for IWB carry.

If you haven't looked at these, do. It's a very solid, comfortable holster. Years back, I carried a Ruger SP101 on my ankle as a backup gun, so I was already accustomed to the feel of a gun on my ankle. But this holster is by far the most secure and most comfortable I have ever felt.
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It's hard to go wrong with Galco
 
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GreyWolf1129 said:
@Grand Vol

FYI, I ordered a Galco ankle glove (ankle holster) for my Glock. I wanted to have another option for concealed carry where I didn't have to wear an "over shirt" for IWB carry.

If you haven't looked at these, do. It's a very solid, comfortable holster. Years back, I carried a Ruger SP101 on my ankle as a backup gun, so I was already accustomed to the feel of a gun on my ankle. But this holster is by far the most secure and most comfortable I have ever felt.
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I’ve got that very holster. You won’t be disappointed.
 
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Grand Vol said:
It's hard to go wrong with Galco
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Yeah, and I misspoke about the trigger in my Glock. It's a Pyramid. No idea how I ended up at "Apex", although I did look at it.

Must be related to how I thought that was you on the front of the Quarter...

CRS. Sometimes it's a blessing, and sometimes it's not.

Keep Safe out there in Tornado Alley.
 
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Question about Ammo -

I’ve got a Glock 27, and I’ve been buying:

Hornady 40S&W 180gr XTP

Is this a quality round for the price? Should I be buying something else for Defense?
 
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85SugarVol said:
Question about Ammo -

I’ve got a Glock 27, and I’ve been buying:

Hornady 40S&W 180gr XTP

Is this a quality round for the price? Should I be buying something else for Defense?
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I don't know much about the .40 cal, although we carry the Glock 22 at the S.O. We carry the Federal 185 HST.

Me being a .45 owner, I did my due diligence, and settled on the Federal 230 HST. In FBI BG tests, it expands to .95", with solid performance across the board (through clothing, etc.). To me, it's the best SD round for that caliber.

I would expect no less from the .40 round in the same brand. But I'm sure you can find those who swear by the Speer / Hornady / Winchester / Whatever brand. All I know is that when it comes to my .45's, I did my research, made my choice, and hopefully I'll never get the chance to find out how well it worked.

Since pistol rounds don't break the magical 2200 fps barrier, where hydraulic shock tears tissue and organs up to inches away from the actual bullet path, you are depending on round placement with a handgun. For me, this is where the .45 holds sway. A .95" expanded round in more likely to hit a vital organ than a .75" expanded round. Simple as that. Another reason why I train for "2 in the torso, 1 in the pelvic triangle". A .45 round downstairs is almost guaranteed to sever a major artery or vein, if I hit the triangle. Might not be as quick as a head shot, but heads are harder to hit, and fatal is final. Plus, that broken hip is going to make itself felt immediately. To each their own.

I don't trust ANY pistol round against glass, armor, walls, or any intermediate barrier. That's 5.56 territory, and I have what is almost universally accepted as the best round for that. Federal 5.56 62 grain SBCT (TBBC), in case you're interested.

On duty, the duty round is the Federal 185 HST, and I'm fine with that. Probably more than one good choice here, but that's what we carry, and I'm good with it.

Hope this helps. GV might chime in, and if he does, pay attention. Knows his guns.
 
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GreyWolf1129 said:
I don't know much about the .40 cal, although we carry the Glock 22 at the S.O. We carry the Federal 185 HST.

Me being a .45 owner, I did my due diligence, and settled on the Federal 230 HST. In FBI BG tests, it expands to .95", with solid performance across the board (through clothing, etc.). To me, it's the best SD round for that caliber.

I would expect no less from the .40 round in the same brand. But I'm sure you can find those who swear by the Speer / Hornady / Winchester / Whatever brand. All I know is that when it comes to my .45's, I did my research, made my choice, and hopefully I'll never get the chance to find out how well it worked.

Since pistol rounds don't break the magical 2200 fps barrier, where hydraulic shock tears tissue and organs up to inches away from the actual bullet path, you are depending on round placement with a handgun. For me, this is where the .45 holds sway. A .95" expanded round in more likely to hit a vital organ than a .75" expanded round. Simple as that. Another reason why I train for "2 in the torso, 1 in the pelvic triangle". A .45 round downstairs is almost guaranteed to sever a major artery or vein, if I hit the triangle. Might not be as quick as a head shot, but heads are harder to hit, and fatal is final. Plus, that broken hip is going to make itself felt immediately. To each their own.

I don't trust ANY pistol round against glass, armor, walls, or any intermediate barrier. That's 5.56 territory, and I have what is almost universally accepted as the best round for that. Federal 5.56 62 grain SBCT (TBBC), in case you're interested.

On duty, the duty round is the Federal 185 HST, and I'm fine with that. Probably more than one good choice here, but that's what we carry, and I'm good with it.

Hope this helps. GV might chime in, and if he does, pay attention. Knows his guns.
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Thanks, Grey

@Grand Vol
@DEFENDTHISHOUSE
@YankeeVol

Others? Any thoughts on .40 ammo for Defense?
 
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85SugarVol said:
Thanks, Grey

@Grand Vol
@DEFENDTHISHOUSE
@YankeeVol

Others? Any thoughts on .40 ammo for Defense?
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The link GV posted has some very good defensive rounds. I don’t like .40 personally, but that’s me. I’d ask if you carry a med kid in your daily carry? If we have to send rounds out, there’s no reason to expect we or our loved ones won’t take rounds. Nothing would suck worse than watching our loved ones bleed out in front of us with no knowledge or tools to stop the bleeding. We carry life taking tools, we should also carry life saving tools. Just my opinion, for what it’s worth.

Medical Archives - Thunder Ranch
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
The link GV posted has some very good defensive rounds. I don’t like .40 personally, but that’s me. I’d ask if you carry a med kid in your daily carry? If we have to send rounds out, there’s no reason to expect we or our loved ones won’t take rounds. Nothing would suck worse than watching our loved ones bleed out in front of us with no knowledge or tools to stop the bleeding. We carry life taking tools, we should also carry life saving tools. Just my opinion, for what it’s worth.

Medical Archives - Thunder Ranch
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This. I am a GA certified First Responder (Basic Trauma Care - required by our Sheriff), so I have an S.O. supplied Jump Bag, with everything the EMT's carry in their "jump kit", sans oxygen. On top of that, as a former SRT member, they issued me two IFAK kits. I keep both in my Active Shooter kit (5.11 go-bag with a shoulder strap), which includes a backup gun and two spare mags, the 2 IFAK kits, six spare 30-round mags for my AR, a spare flashlight, fixed blade knife, and two bottles of water.

One IFAK for me, and one for the first seriously wounded patient I encounter. That's the rule.

FWIW, at our last OIS where the bad guy ended up DRT, two deputies ran out of gas administering CPR until the squad arrived. Regardless of what you did to invoke deadly force, once you are no longer a threat, you are a patient. No sleep lost over the DRT, but very proud of those guys for what they did to try and save a life.

You can settle your accounts with your maker when the time comes. Until then, we do all we can to keep you amongst the living.

Protect and Serve.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
The link GV posted has some very good defensive rounds. I don’t like .40 personally, but that’s me. I’d ask if you carry a med kid in your daily carry? If we have to send rounds out, there’s no reason to expect we or our loved ones won’t take rounds. Nothing would suck worse than watching our loved ones bleed out in front of us with no knowledge or tools to stop the bleeding. We carry life taking tools, we should also carry life saving tools. Just my opinion, for what it’s worth.

Medical Archives - Thunder Ranch
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Appreciate it
 
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85SugarVol said:
Thanks, Grand.

Grey referenced Federal as what he carried, it’s also listed in the link you shared.

What’s the difference in 180 HST & 180 Tactical?
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No idea. Stick with what GV recommended. Safe choice.

EDIT: Just went and checked. We shoot the Federal 180 HST's in our duty guns.
 
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85SugarVol said:
I take it you guys aren’t fans of .40 S&W

Why?
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Not enough of an increase in ballistics for the loss in round count or the increase in recoil impulse. A modern 9mm with proper rounds is just as effective and far easier on the shooter than a .40 S&W. Which is why you're seeing many agencies that changed to the .40 some time back are changing back to the 9mm.

Not saying it isn't a good round, it's just not my cup of tea.
 
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85SugarVol said:
I take it you guys aren’t fans of .40 S&W

Why?
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Like GV said above, it seems like the .40 has more of a "snap" in the recoil impulse than the 9mm, and honestly even my .45's. That plus the reduction in rounds (as GV mentioned) and the minimal gains in ballistics (ditto).

If memory serves, wasn't the .40 developed for the FBI because the 10mm (which was all the rage back then) was just too much for some shooters?

While modern bullet design and development has narrowed, if not almost closed, the gap between the 9mm and the .45, and more rounds is never a bad idea...for me, having that big heavy 230 grain projectile that expands to .95 caliber is the right choice. 15 or 17 rounds is nice, especially is a no-holds-barred gunfight, but if I can't get it done with 8, 10 or 13 rounds (depending on the gun and mag in use), odds are that 15 wouldn't tip the scale either. Again, it's a matter of personal preference.

So for me, it's the .45 ACP.
 
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